forgot to bid

Yes very true. Because what we might do is offer a staple, if they don't take it then operate as separate entities and then sell off everything they have until they don't exist.

Now if they take the staple, we integrate, then we will sell off everything HI had until it doesn't exist, then we'll leave and let United or American take over.

Yes.

scambo1

FTB;
Have you started drinking?


Yet?

FlyingViking

What on this planet, or in your inteview, suggested that you should make more $$$ on a 747 than on an MD88? Is it less work on an MD88? Is it more difficult to fly a 747? Does a 747 create more profit than an MD88? Is the checkride easier on an MD88? Is there less frequent line checks on the MD88? What? What? Give me one reason a 747 pilot should make more $$$ pr hour than an MD88 pilot. Oh, and by the way, keep in mind all those profit and revenue questions we were asked in the interview....

It is complete and utterly nonsense to pay a 747 pilot more $$$ than an MD88 pilot. Lets cut the training cost for the company and pocket the $$$ instead of running this old school way of fighting towards each other for something we all know is essentially the same job.

Rant over.... Continue..

FlyingViking

Now, that is funny....

acl65pilot

A little background from my one on ones with the NC.

1) They are going to listen to that survey. It is not eyewash they are spewing. You NC Chair is committed to follow the will of the pilots. Period. Ask him yourself when he shows up for the road show in PTC in a week. I suggest you make it a day and come on down here. I may be there, it depends on my scheduling of a few events later that afternoon. I would love to chat with ya.

2) I wanted those JV partners included as much as you do, and voiced my concern that they were not. They matter-a-factly told me that they wanted to as well, but it was more important to get the survey out there, and pilots heads in the contract, that to possibly wait until Nov/Dec to get the survey out. Those numbers should be coming shortly. Apparently they just met with them. The meeting was not to happen until mid month, and it happened last. They too have the priority to pain that picture.

3) You NC chair has the goal to return to the line after he gets us a great contract. Of course some things are out of their hands, but his entire committee is committed to see whatever we want through. They know who they work for. If that changes they will be replaced and they know that.

This is not some self diluted belief of mine. I saw the process in motion, and it is my belief that many of the reps agree.

As for the surveys, I hope that almost everyone has done it. I have mine done but have not submitted it. I talk amongst our pilots and if they state what I want a better way, I improve on my position. I have a calendar reminder set up to submit it three hrs before it closes.


I know that I will continue to keep my ear to the ground, and if I do not like what I am seeing, I will continue to speak up. Everyone should.

Of course, side business are so much fun. Rezoning, covenant variances, land deals, lease purchases, city, county and state codes, etc are entertaining, but the reality is that everyone including me would like this job to pay enough that these sort of things are not a necessity. This job should pay correctly, and pilots should not have to have significant second careers to offset the loss in earnings they have seen because of the stagnation of ticket pricing.

acl65pilot

The argument for more pay on larger jets, is that it leaves leverage open if something like the 380 would show up. You lose all of that if you go to a straight longevity rate. Just food for thought.

FlyingViking

I knew you were a good man, you will send it in and vote yes now that you have seen the light....

FlyingViking

Who cares? Bring the 380's on board, dont't let AF fly them..... We can do that under one rate. We both know that we have pilots willing to fly that ugly thing for whatever.... Just get the pay up for all of us is what really matters, as well as keeping those with families closer to their families while the rest of us doing the international long hour flying with non productive 24, 48, and 72 hour layovers in places we don't really want to be....

Superpilot92

Resistance is futile, proof below

forgot to bid

No, I was reading the SWA thread. They've shown us all the way- staple everyone you merge with and if they refuse to go to the back of the bus, you fire them.

Seems simple.