Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-20-2012, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Agreed. The company reaps the benefits of our ACARS delay reports, APU usage reports, proactive delay prevention, public engagement and overall cooperation while our higher paid colleagues at FEDEX and LUV just show up and fly. Being a valued employee means more than a memo can ever expre$$.
02-20-2012, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
GoJet, ComAir whoever...They are all the same! We know the importance to SCOPE.
Where do you think Delta would send the planes?
02-20-2012, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Keep in mind that same money could pay for 12,000 GoJetsss pilots if there is so much as a loophole in your C2012 Scope.
02-20-2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Agreed. The company reaps the benefits of our ACARS delay reports, APU usage reports, proactive delay prevention, public engagement and overall cooperation while our higher paid colleagues at FEDEX and LUV just show up and fly. Being a valued employee means more than a memo can ever expre$$.
I can't speak for the LUV boys, but at FDX we did a lot more than show up and fly.....much like DAL folks do now. The biggest difference is that we were thanked in the pocketbook, instead of another " hearty well-done " letter.
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02-20-2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
GoJet, ComAir whoever...They are all the same! We know the importance to SCOPE.
02-20-2012, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Listen, you're much more knowledgeable about the process than I am, but explain to me why, if another organization representing us were able to get the company to agree to a greater percentage wage increase why the NMB would step in and say, "No, not possible." You're assuming your present bargaining agent is going to get the most the company is willing to agree to, which I don't consider a given. Explain to me why that is not a possibility.
That being said, I am one who thinks the alternative could possibly be better in the long run, but for now have resolved to stay with who I have. They have my full support; there is unity. But that doesn't mean if I'm taken for granted I won't look elsewhere. The argument that my consideration of other options is somehow showing a lack of support or reflects a lack of unity is insulting and annoys me to no end. They need to show me they deserve my business.
That being said, I am one who thinks the alternative could possibly be better in the long run, but for now have resolved to stay with who I have. They have my full support; there is unity. But that doesn't mean if I'm taken for granted I won't look elsewhere. The argument that my consideration of other options is somehow showing a lack of support or reflects a lack of unity is insulting and annoys me to no end. They need to show me they deserve my business.
Every Rep and MEC bureaucrat will have their pay calculated based on the new contract, so what incentive does that provide for anyone to minimize their own pay? That doesn't appear logical to me.
02-20-2012, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Hey Fly,
I can't speak for the LUV boys, but at FDX we did a lot more than show up and fly.....much like DAL folks do now. The biggest difference is that we were thanked in the pocketbook, instead of another " hearty well-done " letter.
Regards,
BG
I can't speak for the LUV boys, but at FDX we did a lot more than show up and fly.....much like DAL folks do now. The biggest difference is that we were thanked in the pocketbook, instead of another " hearty well-done " letter.
Regards,
BG
I'll take a cut in the published hourly pay rates to get that.Say you make $100/hr as a Co-pilot or $200/hr as a Captain. You get a typical 2 day NB trip with 18 hours of duty and 10.5 hours of flight time. You'd make the same amount of money if you were paid by the duty hour and took a near 50% cut in pay. So, I'll proudly sign off on pay by the duty hour and no more than a 15% cut in hourly rate.
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02-20-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GrUpGrDn
With a comment like this, just reminds me that you have not realized that the big d bought Comair. Now ask yourself why they bought Comair. Scope is the key and evidently to use your logic, YOU decided to give it up for more pay.....
02-20-2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Every Rep and MEC bureaucrat will have their pay calculated based on the new contract, so what incentive does that provide for anyone to minimize their own pay? That doesn't appear logical to me.
What if our reps and MEC bureaucrats believe this is the best they can do but at the same time recognize that it is unacceptable to the pilot group. What to do? Take a proposal to the negotiating table that you THINK won't be acceptable and that you THINK the big bad wolf (NMB) will blow your house down over? Or take a proposal to the negotiating table that is well below what is acceptable to your pilot group and then try to sell us on the idea that it was the best we could do and there is unacceptable risk in voting it down? Which sounds more like what we've experienced before?
This is just my opinion, but I think a lot of these guys (reps and bureaucrats) get so caught up in the minutia and in their own world of challenges that they lose sight of principle and the big picture. I don't think any (or at least most) of them want anything less than the most we can get. Sure it effects them! But I think many of them are so caught up in their world of proactive engagement that they don't want to do anything to possibly jeopardize that. It's not hard for management's professional negotiators to figure out who they're dealing with, what motivates them, and what scares them.
Getting a restorative contract and reeling in scope is NOT going to be easy. It will involve risk. None of us got to where we are by avoiding things that are difficult and by taking zero risk. Let's not get so caught up in the size of the challenge we face that we give up. Just my 2 cents...
02-20-2012, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Pay us by the duty hour. I'll take a cut in the published hourly pay rates to get that.
Say you make $100/hr as a Co-pilot or $200/hr as a Captain. You get a typical 2 day NB trip with 18 hours of duty and 10.5 hours of flight time. You'd make the same amount of money if you were paid by the duty hour and took a near 50% cut in pay. So, I'll proudly sign off on pay by the duty hour and no more than a 15% cut in hourly rate.
I'll take a cut in the published hourly pay rates to get that.Say you make $100/hr as a Co-pilot or $200/hr as a Captain. You get a typical 2 day NB trip with 18 hours of duty and 10.5 hours of flight time. You'd make the same amount of money if you were paid by the duty hour and took a near 50% cut in pay. So, I'll proudly sign off on pay by the duty hour and no more than a 15% cut in hourly rate.
I know you are joking but you are actually on to something. The only problem is that your rate decrease is far too large. Think what would happen to a turn with 7 hours of block and a 1 hour turn time. Even adding in a 1 hour pre-flight and a 1/2 hour post-flight you would have 9 1/2 hours of duty.
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