Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-21-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I could go on with my "rant"... but today is trade day for the investment method I use and I've got to get on with that.
We aren't going to agree on this. Your mind is made up and so is mine.
And you are right about the other stuff.. you and I aren't gonna agree. I will support the MEC from here on though. I only hope you can say the same.
02-21-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What survey? Seriously.
02-21-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
No reason to get snotty
If there is one person that consistently pounds his chest here telling off everybody else, it would be a tie between you and carl ;-)
I sign my name under my posts instead of hiding, WYSIWYG, I sure hope you have a different personality in the jet!
Cheers
George
02-21-2012, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
FINALLY! Someone writes the correct question!!!!!
George, that is the question we need to ask when engineering scope language. Scope has to be built for disasters, knowing that economic duress will place our contract under stress. Just as buildings codes assume earthquakes, fires, floods and storm.
The much ballyhoo's Contract 2000 included a number of block hour ratio provisions, limits on the operation of DCI aircraft and competing aircraft. People forget that these scope provisions failed nearly immediately after Contract 2000 was in force. I've got to get out some old dusty notes, but I think we gave up what today we would call "production balance" within 60 days of the contract's effective date. Regardless of whether it was 60 days, or 600, we all know what happened; Delta went from 90+% of its departures to somewhere around 40%. I think we can agree that when tested by economic stress, our scope sustained a structural failure.
Next question ... "why'd we do that?"
Pilots need to understand why we outsource. We outsource our flying in the hope Delta will make more money, some portion of which will be paid to us. ALPA partners with management in outsourcing our work (and lets not kid ourselves, the DPA would do the same).
When times get tough, the Company needs more money, desperately. The last thing they'll do is sever their profitable outsourcing strategy. The union's history shows their agreement when the Company is in dire straights. They'll write "better to save all pilots rather than saving a few."
The model then falls into traps of greed and fear. In good times we want more money funded by outsourcing, in bad times we want to avoid the whole outfit going out of business. That is why we now shrink in good times and bad. We are decoupled from the real performance of our airline.
The only long term answer is unity. We must perform our own flying and take the ups and downs with our Company.
George, that is the question we need to ask when engineering scope language. Scope has to be built for disasters, knowing that economic duress will place our contract under stress. Just as buildings codes assume earthquakes, fires, floods and storm.
The much ballyhoo's Contract 2000 included a number of block hour ratio provisions, limits on the operation of DCI aircraft and competing aircraft. People forget that these scope provisions failed nearly immediately after Contract 2000 was in force. I've got to get out some old dusty notes, but I think we gave up what today we would call "production balance" within 60 days of the contract's effective date. Regardless of whether it was 60 days, or 600, we all know what happened; Delta went from 90+% of its departures to somewhere around 40%. I think we can agree that when tested by economic stress, our scope sustained a structural failure.
Next question ... "why'd we do that?"
Pilots need to understand why we outsource. We outsource our flying in the hope Delta will make more money, some portion of which will be paid to us. ALPA partners with management in outsourcing our work (and lets not kid ourselves, the DPA would do the same).
When times get tough, the Company needs more money, desperately. The last thing they'll do is sever their profitable outsourcing strategy. The union's history shows their agreement when the Company is in dire straights. They'll write "better to save all pilots rather than saving a few."
The model then falls into traps of greed and fear. In good times we want more money funded by outsourcing, in bad times we want to avoid the whole outfit going out of business. That is why we now shrink in good times and bad. We are decoupled from the real performance of our airline.
The only long term answer is unity. We must perform our own flying and take the ups and downs with our Company.
02-21-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What the hell is going on with DAL stock today.... dayam!
Where the metric fails is that when the Euro zone economy falters so do the shares of the international carrier that serve it.
And for all you guys with your drilling mantra, my backyard faces the third largest oilfield in the US and they are drilling like it's going out of style. Oil prices are mostly decoupled from traditional supply and demand fundamentals and are mostly linked to fear and speculation...
On the other hand, Delta has figured out how to pass along the fuel cost in ticket prices, so economic growth in Europe should bode well for us...short term stock hit aside.
Cheers
George
02-21-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We know what happens to airplanes on the "back side of the power curve," right? The next maneuver in the syllabus is "stall recovery" as the power needed to maintain flight quickly and sharply exceeds what is available. The airplane will descend uncontrollably or depart controlled flight all together.
I'd submit we should maintain no less than V2+15. To climb requires excess airspeed.
I'll also submit that our next management team will be critical of this management team lack of interest in our airline.
I'd submit we should maintain no less than V2+15. To climb requires excess airspeed.
I'll also submit that our next management team will be critical of this management team lack of interest in our airline.
02-21-2012, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Interesting. What do you mean by "conniption"? Do you mean how they would react if we were to walk in with the SWA contract in hand and say "we demand this?" I would not call the reaction to that a "conniption". THe reaction would probably be something more akin to stifled laughter and quiet celebration in the knowledge that that ain't gonna happen, and then they would have us at BK wages and work rules for the forseeable future. See: AMR
Can you imagine the increase in mainline pilot requirements if we had SWAPA's scope clause?
02-21-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Bingo. Management/DALPA thinks we are afraid of risk. If we prove to them that we are, they win.
Carl
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02-21-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
That's rich coming from you!
If there is one person that consistently pounds his chest here telling off everybody else, it would be a tie between you and carl ;-)
I sign my name under my posts instead of hiding, WYSIWYG, I sure hope you have a different personality in the jet!
Cheers
George
If there is one person that consistently pounds his chest here telling off everybody else, it would be a tie between you and carl ;-)
I sign my name under my posts instead of hiding, WYSIWYG, I sure hope you have a different personality in the jet!
Cheers
George
Hmmm OK. I thought you and I for the most part had a pretty good relationship on here. You have written lots of stuff I have agreed with and given you credit for. But it is very clear what you think of me, so fine. Have a wonderful day... "George"
02-21-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Oil, the new excuse is the Euro debt crisis averted means oil goes up because the Euro economy improves
where the metric fails is that when the Euro zone economy falters so do the shares of the international carrier that serve it.
Delta has figured out how to pass along the fuel cost in ticket prices, so economic growth in Europe should bode well for us...short term stock hit aside.
Cheers
George
where the metric fails is that when the Euro zone economy falters so do the shares of the international carrier that serve it.
Delta has figured out how to pass along the fuel cost in ticket prices, so economic growth in Europe should bode well for us...short term stock hit aside.
Cheers
George
On our stock plunge, It will come back until Iran blows up.
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