Neither of the above examples is (nor should be taken) as indicative of every pilot at those carriers. Every carrier has its share of 10%ers.
It would be just as erronous for me to villify ALL AA pilots based on one emotionally disturbed eightball who posts on this forum.
I agree 100%. In the same way that not all jumpseaters are numbnuts like the ones who spark these recurring threads about jumpseat etiquette. Almost all of my jumpseat experiences have been good ones (well, as good as ANY jumpseat experience can be). But it should still be said that while there is etiquette involved when asking for the jumpseat, a certain level of etiquette would be appreciated when giving the jumpseat.
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This thread is ridiculous. I've ridden upfront on my 4.5 hour commute every week (except for one roundtrip) since Christmas. Just show up, say "hi." This whole checklist thing is out of control. From what I've seen the guys that show up and start showing people pilot certificates and medicals when then have a seat in the back are the ones that run into trouble.
Also - I could also honestly care less if a jumpseater checks in with me if there is a seat open in the back, but maybe that's just me.
I agree 100%. In the same way that not all jumpseaters are numbnuts like the ones who spark these recurring threads about jumpseat etiquette. Almost all of my jumpseat experiences have been good ones (well, as good as ANY jumpseat experience can be). But it should still be said that while there is etiquette involved when asking for the jumpseat, a certain level of etiquette would be appreciated when giving the jumpseat.
I might be off base here but some of the unfriendly captains you run into could be the political aspect that I mentioned. Some might be ****ed at scope and rj's and such and then as a rj pilot you show up for the jumpseat and he or she takes it out on you. They might really be ****ed at alpa or the company but you are there and many feel taking away some of there jobs. Don't get me wrong here I am not saying it is right or wrong but it could be where some of these altercation come from. Just a thought.
We are all brothers in the same crappy bidness. We will all jump seat at one time or another. Just treat the JS'er like you would want to be treated, and nobody will have problems. Did that sh#it for 25 years, and never had a problem, either as a JS'er or as a Captain. The biggest problem in the cockpit is that some Captains have big egos in an environment where there should be none.
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I am surprised by the responses on this thread. Where has civility and respect gone in our profession?
I'd hope Captains throw the bums that take a right turn from the L1 (or L2) door off the airplane. Inevitably those pilots are either sneaking around on Company business for some fly by night crap hauler who should have bought a ticket, or some punk who thinks that an airline ID looks good with cut offs & flip flops.
We had a Mesaba pilot turn the corner one day looking like he had slept on the beach for a week before coming to the airport to jumpseat. His reply was, well, I was in a hurry and did not want to go home and change.
For the bums who don't think we know - yes - you are on the weight and balance, we know when we match the passenger count prior to pushback.
For the rest of the normal, polite and friendly pilots who make up 95% of the professional population - "Welcome aboard, what would you like to drink? Need a place to stow your bag? How things going at your place?"
I agree with Bucking, it's just common courteously to say hi and be polite. I also say hi and to the FAs going all the way aft too, even if I'm on a pass. We're all in this together and we're all each other's got.
As far as grumpy guys, I have found that "out nice-ing" someone goes a long way to cure grumpyness.
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This thread is ridiculous. I've ridden upfront on my 4.5 hour commute every week (except for one roundtrip) since Christmas. Just show up, say "hi." This whole checklist thing is out of control. From what I've seen the guys that show up and start showing people pilot certificates and medicals when then have a seat in the back are the ones that run into trouble.
Also - I could also honestly care less if a jumpseater checks in with me if there is a seat open in the back, but maybe that's just me.
I second this opinion. If there's an open seat in the back, why do you want someone wasting your valuable time? Maybe I'm just laid back, but if there is an available open seat, I would want any pilot to be able to use it if it would make their life easier. It seems to just be an old tradition that makes some people feel good about themselves. Also, who cares what they're wearing if there's an open seat? If they're in an actual jumpseat, then this all changes obviously. But what do I know?
Why can't we all just get along? When I'm in uniform, I try to thank the crew for the ride even though I'm always on a PAID ticket. I can't believe people get chewed out for not following "the checklist" if they're not in an actual jumpseat. You might not know their exact situation or what kind of day they're having. Live and let live.
This thread is ridiculous. I've ridden upfront on my 4.5 hour commute every week (except for one roundtrip) since Christmas. Just show up, say "hi." This whole checklist thing is out of control. From what I've seen the guys that show up and start showing people pilot certificates and medicals when then have a seat in the back are the ones that run into trouble.
Also - I could also honestly care less if a jumpseater checks in with me if there is a seat open in the back, but maybe that's just me.
You must be from the "all about me generation". Most carriers require license,medical etc. Be ready if the guys ask for it. The reason 9-11.........Hmmm maybe you were not employed by a 121 carrier at that time.
You might be the problem to jumpseating. That's why this thread is here....look in the mirror. Just saying "hi" doesn't get the job done. If you don't like the policies/protocol of jumpseating...Don't...
It's a pretty easy to follow the rules and be gracious.
Many don't have a problem with jumpseating protocol, obviously many still need to learn.
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Also - I could also honestly care less if a jumpseater checks in with me if there is a seat open in the back, but maybe that's just me.
Are you and FO? I am. If so, you are right it is not our job, it is the Captain's.
Kind of a funny story... AirTran Captain was on the phone so I waited... and waited... and handed her FO my credentials and a box of Girl Scout Cookies to say thanks for the ride. The Captain did not seem to have time so I politely excused myself and went out the door only to be grabbed by the arm by the Captain "How dare you just leave without checking in with me!"
I apologized and pulled my credentials back out and apologized again and said thanks. Went to the back of the jet and went to sleep. Next thing I know the Captain is tugging on my arm saying "thanks for the cookies, we were starving and those are my favorite - come up and have a seat in First Class."
Only point of the story - even if you accidently screw up and PO the Captain, a little gift of appreciation for the ride and being polite can turn a web board horror story into a positive outcome.
I am surprised by the responses on this thread. Where has civility and respect gone in our profession?
I'd hope Captains throw the bums that take a right turn from the L1 (or L2) door off the airplane. Inevitably those pilots are either sneaking around on Company business for some fly by night crap hauler who should have bought a ticket, or some punk who thinks that an airline ID looks good with cut offs & flip flops.
We had a Mesaba pilot turn the corner one day looking like he had slept on the beach for a week before coming to the airport to jumpseat. His reply was, well, I was in a hurry and did not want to go home and change.
For the bums who don't think we know - yes - you are on the weight and balance, we know when we match the passenger count prior to pushback.
For the rest of the normal, polite and friendly pilots who make up 95% of the professional population - "Welcome aboard, what would you like to drink? Need a place to stow your bag? How things going at your place?"
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