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Old 04-08-2009, 02:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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ALPA national went against what the majority of thier own members voted for.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Deltas numbers....


Year Age 65 Retirements
2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Obviously in the next 5 years or so a lot of guys at various airlines are going to start retiring. This will hopefully cause a good amount of movement throughout the majors. My question is, for those guys who don't get hired in the next 5-8 years, will they have any hope of ever getting on with a major? Think about it, once all the 65ers get replaced with all these younger guys, majors won't have a reason to hire for another 30+ years, give or take some expansion here and there. Just wondered how many old timers you have on your senority list and how long it will be before they're forced to check out.
Here are UAL's numbers...I will just let you try to figure out why they won't need to hire for another 30 years...
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RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 60
2007 - 263
2008 - 235
2009 - 231
2010 - 201
2011 - 167
2012 - 228
2013 - 246
2014 - 239
2015 - 271
2016 - 330
2017 - 305
2018 - 383
2019 - 356
2020 - 461
2021 - 508
2022 - 503
2023 - 574
2025 - 539
2026 - 561
2027 - 407
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Age 65 and the upcoming airline consolidation will make it hard for anyone to get hired at a major for 5 years. There will be some growth for some shrinking at others and some airlines will go away. You can get hired but it will be a challenge. If your young it does not matter.
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... until they change it to Age 70.
Why not? Americans are living longer, retirement vehicles are vanishing (401k's on the chopping block), and government entitlements will be bankrupt in the very, very near future (medicare/medicaid, social security).

While I personally have ZERO desire to fly past age 50, much less 70, if reliable objective criteria (physiological and mental) can be developed, prohibiting pilots from working as long as they're fit is simply age discrimination.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:12 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Deltas numbers....


Year Age 65 Retirements
2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

do those numbers include the NW guys?
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:25 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well, a Lithuanian carrier just received authorization under JAR25 rules to operate the A318 with only one pilot. That might delay things slightly.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:38 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Can some tell me! Is GoJet is still a bad outfit to fly for? They are Hiring 100 pilots this year.
Son this is the MAJORS forum, try trolling over at the REGIONALS forum for all you need to know about Goat Jet
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Age 65 and the upcoming airline consolidation will make it hard for anyone to get hired at a major for 5 years. There will be some growth for some shrinking at others and some airlines will go away. You can get hired but it will be a challenge. If your young it does not matter.
Define young.
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You know, i can understand US/AA/UA/NWA/DAL/CAL guys staying over 60, because they took massive pay cuts and lost their retirements (excluding AA...maybe NWA).
But UPS/FDX/SWA guys are just being greedy!!! There is really no real reason why those guys should stick around past 60
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