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Old 05-28-2009, 02:17 PM
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A Continental Captain pulled his female F/O yesterday for wearing a red "Live Strong" type wristband.

Some of you might have seen one, (I wear one all of the time). Its a red wristband with the initials FUPM on it.

Depending on how strongly you feel about CAL's current contract, it can mean one of two things.

For the more mild it stands for "Fed Up Pay Me". For those of you Goodfellas fans change Fed Up to something else.

With over 1500 of these things distributed, it sends a very strong message to our management that we're sick and tired of being used as a never ending ATM machine and its time to pony-up.

Apparently Captain Buttmunch asked her to remove the red wristband or be removed from the trip. She refused, he called the Cheif Pilot and said F/O was removed without pay.

Mind you Captain BM is a member of the Union's Safety Committee and shouldn't be confronting those of us who have had enough of managements BS.

Since I can't post any names in Public I'd be happy to share his name privately with those of you interested. He also commutes from Kona Hawaii to Newark so I'm sure some of you can give him a warm welcome when he attempts to jumpseat.
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Thank you for reposting this very important issue to CAL pilots despite the ubermoderation.
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Of course he did not feel the need to perhaps table his objection until later and contact the pro standards committee. He felt that his objection was so critical to the safe, efficient and expeditious conduct of the flight that he had to contact the CPO immediately.

Now one must ask, is this the type of person we want as a committee head? Maybe he can go work in the CPO and be happy instead. As for the FO, she should be reimbursed by the union since this guy supposedly "represents" union management.

Just an ops group until we start replacing these check airman committee head types and/or when we merge with UAUA.

Man I pay a lot of dues for this bravo sierra!
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Why was she not pay protected? Did the captain pull her off for insubordination, or a uniform violation? She should have just said it was a piece of jewelry.
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Why was she not pay protected? Did the captain pull her off for insubordination, or a uniform violation? She should have just said it was a piece of jewelry.
She did and was still removed from the flight without pay.
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin View Post
Thank you for reposting this very important issue to CAL pilots despite the ubermoderation.
Then keep the thread clean and post without busting numerous rules in the TOS and I'm sure the thread will thrive! I'm sorry that you consider upholding the rules of the forum as ubermoderation. Maybe there is another forum somewhere that you would feel more comfortable posting?

Now...less about rules and regs and such and back on topic.

Does CAL have some type of uniform policy that would prohibit such things as this sweat band or piece of jewelry or whatever the offending item was? In the military we have rules that dictate what we can and can not wear - even on liberty in some cases - as certainly when at work!

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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
In the military we have rules that dictate what we can and can not wear...
What?! No way! Really?! The military dictates what you can and can't wear? Here's your sign. (Sorry Major, I couldn't resist)

But really? She got pulled for wearing a wristband? In my experience there's always two sides to every story... Did she argue with the Captain? Does she have a history of insubordination? With the information we have been given, I would say she deserves full pay and possibly an apology...
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Then keep the thread clean and post without busting numerous rules in the TOS and I'm sure the thread will thrive! I'm sorry that you consider upholding the rules of the forum as ubermoderation. Maybe there is another forum somewhere that you would feel more comfortable posting?

Now...less about rules and regs and such and back on topic.

Does CAL have some type of uniform policy that would prohibit such things as this sweat band or piece of jewelry or whatever the offending item was? In the military we have rules that dictate what we can and can not wear - even on liberty in some cases - as certainly when at work!

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Didn't see anything specifically prohibiting it but take a look for yourself.

Uniform Standards
• The shirt must be buttoned, with tie in place at all times when in public
view.
• Uniform coat should be appropriately buttoned when in public view.
• Only authorized tie tack / pins may be worn.
• The female uniform shirt / tie combinations will be the white ascot blouse
or the white female blouse with black floppy bow tie.
• Long sleeve shirts may only be worn with the uniform coat.
• Sweaters are optional and may only be worn under the uniform coat
when in view of the public. Sweaters must be plain black and be either a
long sleeve V-neck pullover or V-neck vest style. Sweaters embroidered
with the approved Continental logo are approved.
• Black leather business dress shoes for males are defined as cap toe, low
quarter tie, or slip-on shoes, no tassels, and Wellington style boots. All
shoes must have a non-skid sole.
• Approved all weather coats / overcoats may only be worn over the
uniform suit coat. Coat should be buttoned when in public view.

• Approved Continental wings appropriate to your crew status will be worn
on the uniform suit coat over the left breast.
• Approved Continental wings appropriate to your crew status will be worn
centered ½ inch above the left shirt pocket.
• Trouser / pant / skirt material must be the same as the uniform coat when
worn in combination.
• Baseball caps, sun visors, etc. may be worn in the flight deck only.
• Flight crewmembers must have the approval of their Chief Pilot to
operate an aircraft in any attire other than the approved pilot uniform.
• Pilots qualified as captain, but currently flying in another status may wear
captain epaulets, captain shirt and jacket wings, and captain jacket
stripes. The pilot may not wear the captain hat. A Check Airman
performing Check Airman duties in the right seat may continue to wear
the captain’s hat.
• The standard crew luggage is a 20 to 24 inch black suitcase. A small
black tote and / or a plain black hanging garment bag (no shoulder strap)
can also be carried. Crew luggage shall be free of stickers. The wearing
of back packs is prohibited.
• The uniform hat shall be worn whenever the uniform coat is worn.
The following items are Not Approved:
• Worn, stained, or dirty uniform pieces.
• Trousers / pants with cuffs.
• Black casual shoes, tennis shoes, or cowboy boots.
• Garment bags with shoulder straps.
Seasonal and geographical requirements:
• The uniform coat and hat are required to be worn between October 15
and April 15 by pilots conducting the following operations:
− Domestic flights (including HNL)
− European (including TLV)
− South and Central America
− Caribbean
− Canada
− U.S. to/from Asia/Japan
During this period the uniform coat and hat is not required to be worn by
pilots conducting operations between HNL and GUM.
Male Grooming Standards
• Hair must present a clean, neat and businesslike appearance. Hair will be
trimmed so as not to extend below the top of the shirt collar or below the
middle of the ear. Extreme styles and colors are not acceptable.
• Sideburns will not extend below the middle of the ear and will be of an
even width. Sideburns will end with a clean shaven line.
• Mustaches will be trimmed to reveal the entire upper lip line. They may
not extend more than a Ό inch beyond the corner of the mouth.
• Beards and goatees are not allowed.
• Earrings, facial and tongue studs are not allowed
Female Grooming Standards
• Hair will be worn in a business-like and fashionable manner. Hair will
be styled or secured so as not to interfere with pilot duties in and around
the aircraft, and so the hat may be worn squarely upon the head. Extreme
styles and colors are not acceptable.
• If makeup is worn, it must be worn to create a business-like appearance.
Lipstick and cosmetics with grease must not be worn due to the fact that
pure oxygen and grease-based cosmetics can cause combustion.
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What?! No way! Really?! The military dictates what you can and can't wear? Here's your sign. (Sorry Major, I couldn't resist)

But really? She got pulled for wearing a wristband? In my experience there's always two sides to every story... Did she argue with the Captain? Does she have a history of insubordination? With the information we have been given, I would say she deserves full pay and possibly an apology...
From the initial reports Captain BM's only complaint is that she would not take off the wristband. No history of insubordination and her husband is on CAL's jumpseat committee.
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What?! No way! Really?! The military dictates what you can and can't wear? Here's your sign. (Sorry Major, I couldn't resist)

But really? She got pulled for wearing a wristband? In my experience there's always two sides to every story... Did she argue with the Captain? Does she have a history of insubordination? With the information we have been given, I would say she deserves full pay and possibly an apology...
Already have my sign but I was more of speaking about the little things - like anything bringing discredit to the service. Something of that nature might cross the line in that situation. You can be wearing the uniform and wearing a PEACE SIGN (or a PLEDGE PIN! ) Examples from the movies!

Absolutely - two sides and many details missing. Sounds harsh though - being removed from the flight and without pay if all of that is correct.

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