Ever had a look at how Toyota, the world's most efficient producer of automobiles operates?
They do business in over 120 countries. They are very involved in every aspect of their vendor's production and quality control.
Every manufacturer has to deal with quality control issues from time to time. That's the nature of man made products. It will always be that way.
Outsourcing is the future. That's globalization for you. If you don't agree with it or don't like it, you're in for a lot of disappointment!
I won't convince you to accept the value of it. But, let me assure you, all the big corporations the world over are committed to it.
Despite the problems at Boeing, just you watch, they will remain commited to it too!
Did you think I wouldn't notice that you didn't respond to any of my points? Is that what they teach you in management school these days? Somebody calls you out, using your own statements to show your inconsistency - don't panic...just change the subject.
Carl
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As outsourcing goes, we initiated this by having Japan manufacturing cheap goods after WWll. Then they caught onto it ,started making quality goods and started outsourcing themselves to Korea, so we started using China and India. Why ? Because, in my little mind, the unions have made use so expensive that we can't afford ourselves any longer. Tell me all you want, but for the same product manufactured here in the US, you will pay quite a bit more... And as to make the folks believe that you will support the US economy by buying the more expensive stuff,that's bologna!
By the way, I thought I was the proud owner of two US cars: a JEEP and a Chrysler minivan. Very little of the components are American and to top it off now they are FIATs!
My question is : when we will have used up all outsourcing possibilities (Africa and South America), then what? Outsource to Mars?
Did you think I wouldn't notice that you didn't respond to any of my points? Is that what they teach you in management school these days? Somebody calls you out, using your own statements to show your inconsistency - don't panic...just change the subject.
Carl
I've maintained all along, outsourcing itself isn't the problem. But, the way in which certain firms manage outsourcing often is!
If that were true, Boeing would be shipping additional inspectors to Vought. They didn't do that.
They did Sir.
However, the workforce in SC was unskilled and had poor training. Case in point, the incorrectly installed fasteners on ZA004 last year damaging the fuselage.
I completely disagree. The issue is outsourcing. I am a trained engineer and the composites are not the main issue. It is the outsourcing. I have many friends at Boeing in Wichita and Seattle and they all know what the issues are and so do the top brass. They are working to correct them.
On the A380 - How do you expect the 380 to be a money maker if no other operators select it? Please explain. Even Airbus is starting to say that the break even is north of 500 frames. The order book isn't even half that amount.
I know this sounds made up, but it really is true, my brother in-law is the senior managing engineer for certification on the 787 (Everett); and I can tell you it will fly, and the issues are outsourcing and lack of control over third parties.
I have contracted to Boeing a number of times over the years (engineer), once during the 777 project, and it always seems like doom and gloom at some point on a new plane. But they always pull through. Also, if you don't know this, it's always good for a manufacture to give the impression things aren't working out, so the other guy over commits on orders. Then, when things turn around they (other guy) loose the current orders but has invested zillions in tooling for a production run that doesn't exist. Predatory business tactics. It happened by accident with the 777, but now is standard practice. That's why Boeing doesn't really care about the A380, when that market starts heating up, they'll come out with the super jumbo 747 cheaper and make a killing.
I know this sounds made up, but it really is true, my brother in-law is the senior managing engineer for certification on the 787 (Everett); and I can tell you it will fly
Oh it will fly for sure, a LOT heavier than planned and with fuel burns that are going to be very similar to the winglet equipped 763ER numbers
I can tell you it will fly, and the issues are outsourcing and lack of control over third parties.
Most everybody agrees to that - except the guys around here who's college professors told them that oursourcing was a great thing. No amount of evidence will (or could) change their minds.
Carl
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Most everybody agrees to that - except the guys around here who's college professors told them that oursourcing was a great thing. No amount of evidence will (or could) change their minds.
Carl
Of course it will fly.
It will be late, over budget, and will underperform. But it will fly. What wouldn't with two Rolls Royce fans slung under it?
What do you think of firms like Boeing, Airbus, GE, Rolls Royce, CFMI, IAE, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Toyota, VW, MTU, JAEC, and Messier Dowty?
What do you think of the fact that they all lean heavily towards outsourcing?
Tell us what major manufacturing corporations you admire and we'll see if they share your views on outsourcing.
It will be late, over budget, and will underperform. But it will fly. What wouldn't with two Rolls Royce fans slung under it?
What do you think of firms like Boeing, Airbus, GE, Rolls Royce, CFMI, IAE, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Toyota, VW, MTU, JAEC, and Messier Dowty?
What do you think of the fact that they all lean heavily towards outsourcing?
Tell us what major manufacturing corporations you admire and we'll see if they share your views on outsourcing.
Oh, what kinda cars do you own?
AL
Listing the names of companies doesn't make you sound authoritative. It just makes you sound desperate to change the subject. Here is the subject:
You said Boeing's problem with the 787 had nothing to do with outsourcing. You listed numerous other reasons, but not your teacher's pet...outsourcing. Many others responded to you stating that outsourcing was THE MAJOR problem with the 787. With Boeing's actions, they understand that outsourcing is the problem. The financial press agrees. You don't. That's the issue.
Talk to your college professor and ask him if it's OK for you to change your mind on this subject.
Carl
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