PS. ToiletDuck, your post was extensive but mostly full of hot air. You're self proclaimed dedication to RAH is exasperating. You've only been a 121 pilot for two years and you work for a company whose FOs top out at $40/hour!
Don't give more credit than is deserved, APC shows $37/hr.
AGAIN, YES, I know the rationalization behind the pay rates. But that LITTLE money for the airframe size is pathetic, no matter how you try to justify/rationalize it.
With the current crew cost of the 190's, is this REALLY a surprise? If the cost went to the current JB rates, what do you think would happen to those costs?
And YES, I'm well aware of the rationalization behind the rates on those airframes.
This is a MYTH. Pilot costs are peanuts in the operating cost of ANY airplane.
I would have to agree with you. The problem, imho, is that our Captains want to keep their seats at all costs. Unfortunately, this usually leads to a short term solution to a permanent problem; ie, scope. We are hoping for a better offer (although highly unlikely) from someone other than Bedford.
There are a lot of us that are hopeful SW or JB buys you out from underneath us. If it was just for the $108mil, I think you'd have a realistic shot but with the $108mil plus the $40mil for DIP and the $150mil for penalty, you're talking $300mil. Which is still a bargin but I'm not sure if any large carrier including SW with $6b in cash is looking to plunk down that amount given how weak the economy is.
I sincerely wish you guys the best. If you end up on our side hopefully, we will all be able to work together to get the ship righted. If not, GOD help this industry as this will set the precedent for things to come.
This is a MYTH. Pilot costs are peanuts in the operating cost of ANY airplane.
I think you misread was I was getting at.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
If BB cannot pay competitive rates and remain competitive, he should not be trying to compete.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
How will it "destroy" his ability to be cost competitive? What other 190's are flown in the regional area for his competition?
Pilot costs have very little to do with the overall operational cost of the aircraft. We're talking 1/100th (not including ancillary revenue - cargo, etc.) of the revenue it can potentially generate: ie the cost of 1 seat out of 100.
If BB cannot pay competitive rates and remain competitive, he should not be trying to compete.
Maybe he should remove his head from his rectum and stick to what he does best. Run a "regional" airline and STOP what he's doing now.
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How will it "destroy" his ability to be cost competitive? What other 190's are flown in the regional area for his competition?
AGAIN, you're misreading my posts.
There are 190's in service for BB, but there are ALSO 170's, as well as 50 seat and less aircraft. His OVERALL ability to be competitive will go down. Even though he's doing what he's doing, he STILL needs that cash flow from his existing contracts. If he's not competitive in an OVERALL manner, he'll lose that cash cow.
Make sense? I really don't know any other way to explain it to you. If you're looking for a fight, sorry, don't know what to tell you. There's somebody else on this board you should be venting your frustrations at.
There are 190's in service for BB, but there are ALSO 170's, as well as 50 seat and less aircraft. His OVERALL ability to be competitive will go down. Even though he's doing what he's doing, he STILL needs that cash flow from his existing contracts. If he's not competitive in an OVERALL manner, he'll lose that cash cow.
Make sense? I really don't know any other way to explain it to you. If you're looking for a fight, sorry, don't know what to tell you. There's somebody else on this board you should be venting your frustrations at.
I'm simply spelling out.
Sorry for the misunderstand but I guess I don't see it. How is flying a 190 going to make his overall ability to be competitive go down? You think Delta/United/US Air cares and will yank their contracts? Correct me if I'm wrong but these are longer term contracts expiring in the next decade.
You think Delta/United/US Air cares and will yank their contracts? Correct me if I'm wrong but these are longer term contracts expiring in the next decade.
True, but sooner or later there is going to be a conflict of interest. BB and his "mega carrier" will be competing directly against those carriers he currently has contracts with. As an example;
RAH dba UAX has a flight from DEN-IND using an E170
F9 ALSO flights DEN-IND using an Airbus.
United won't be thrilled that BB is competing directly against them.
Usually the arrangement in the FPD/CPA agreements between the "regional" and the legacy don't allow this.
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