Do light turboprops get you Major mins? - Page 5

rickair7777 · 07-18-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler

MPL exists in ICAO ICAO | FLS | FAQs

It's only a matter of time before the FAA adopts it too in order to standardize with ICAO. This doesn't mean an MPL will be flying right seat of a 757, but we might see them at Part 135 or smaller airlines while they gain experience for the larger ones. The problem of the pilot shortage is the high cost of training balanced against the first 10-15 years of pay an airline pilot can expect to receive.

I'm sure the US will allow them to fly into the US on a foreign airline since that is an ICAO reciprocal issue, but there is no reason that the FAA has to allow MPL here at our airlines.

MPL makes sense for airlines in countries where GA training is very expensive...but in the US I suspect that Level D sims cost more than traditional flight training. Small 135 operators are not going to pay for that.

Avroman · 07-18-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

No - Southwest always required 1000 Turbine PIC, that's it. I don't know any major/LCC airline that requires turbojet time.

Now to be competitive - last hiring cycle I think some turbojet PIC was needed to get an interview.

Jetblue. If all you have is Tprop PIC, don't expect a job offer from them.

lifter123 · 07-18-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm sure the US will allow them to fly into the US on a foreign airline since that is an ICAO reciprocal issue, but there is no reason that the FAA has to allow MPL here at our airlines.

MPL makes sense for airlines in countries where GA training is very expensive...but in the US I suspect that Level D sims cost more than traditional flight training. Small 135 operators are not going to pay for that.

Scary issue nonetheless, for safety and the potential career implications. Hopefully this never makes it over to the US side and your latter suggestion is enough to keep it at bay.

polymox · 07-20-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Avroman

Jetblue. If all you have is Tprop PIC, don't expect a job offer from them.

A coworker that flew lowly turboprops single pilot was hired by Jetblue earlier this year. Their requirements may say one thing, but it doesn't mean you can't be hired without flying an RJ.

NWA320pilot · 07-20-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Avroman

Jetblue. If all you have is Tprop PIC, don't expect a job offer from them.

I have several friends at JB that were hired with only TP experience....

cgtpilot · 07-21-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

I have several friends at JB that were hired with only TP experience....

To the best of my knowledge they required that the MTOW be > 25,000lbs when they were taking turboprop time. That ruled out all the single-pilot turbo types...basically Saab 340 or bigger.

rahc · 07-21-2009, 08:11 AM

I also know someone that got on there with time in nothing larger than a Dash 8.

Surprise · 07-27-2009, 07:57 PM

What if you have 1,000 hours of single pilot in a light multi engine turboprop under Part 91, 3,000 in the right seat of an RJ, and a degree from one of the top 25 universities in the nation?

the turtle · 07-27-2009, 10:26 PM

then you're smart enough to know that you don't meet the Part 121 1000 PIC minimums!

and please tell us you didn't go to Duke! (what am i saying-if you went to Duke...you would have said so....)

NWA320pilot · 07-28-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Surprise

What if you have 1,000 hours of single pilot in a light multi engine turboprop under Part 91, 3,000 in the right seat of an RJ, and a degree from one of the top 25 universities in the nation?

I think one of the problems is that it will be awhile before hiring at the majors actually resumes..... CAL, UAL, LCC, and AMR all have guys on furlough. All of these have recall rights prior to hiring resuming. After that will be guys who have a ton of time and experience (ie 10K+ hours, several type ratings, experience in equipment, etc.)

The problem is compounded by our contracting airlines, no growth means no hiring and/or additional layoffs.

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