contrails

A little molehill in Brazil started building jets in the 90s. Now it's a mountain.

That is for another thread of course, but Nosmo makes a good point, and especially in regards to red tail management.

NWA320pilot

There in lies the problem...... We should not have to do training on days off or vacation. If you want me to do training put it on my schedule and pay me for it (I know we get 10 minutes or so pay). Just because I can have internet access and time off shouldn't allow the company to dictate what I do with my free time.

Eck4Life

I had personal leave forthe six weeks prior to the deadline for Phase 2. I hadn't gotten it done and I received 2 phone calls on the same day. One from some lady in I don't know what dept and the other from the CP. I was at home, but I think his scenario is more than plausible for others that enjoy more adventurous pursuits. A day off is exactly that. One shouldn't be bound to checking up on the company during personal time. If you knew it was coming then I too think it would be easier to just get it done. However, they haven't really given a lot of notice for these things. What's the most for any of the phases? Three weeks from being benched? I'm glad I get more notice for other things in my life that ave such a serious impact.

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sailingfun

So you would rather have them tell you when to do it rather then do it at your leisure. I would prefer to do it when I want to get it done. Just for info I don't know many pilots who have used their own time. When you sign in for your next trip do it right then on their time and get extra pay. Its just not that hard!!!

acl65pilot

It really is not that big of a deal. This makes us sound quite juvenile.

sailingfun

I agree, A lot of the posters better hope they never have to go to work in the real world. What a shock they are in for! The guy next door to me has been working all Holiday weekend from home. He works most of every Saturday from home and part of some Sundays. If he did not he would be asked to find another job. If your working a 6 figure job your asked to work way beyond normal hours in the real world. If you choose not to you soon find yourself on the street or in a dead end career track.

acl65pilot

Heck that happens in under six figure jobs. The people that work with and for my wife do that all year long. When you are paid a salary, it is compensation to get said job done. Not to get the job done M-F between the hours of 8-5.

Nosmo King

Are you working two careers? Pilots are not working as salaried management in real world corporations, we are working in a career that is still partially regulated by the US Government and US Labor Laws.

Are you under a different CONTRACT then the rest of the pilots? The contract is there for a reason, it is supposed to set limits on management and limits on the pilots. We are NOT salaried employees, we ARE contract workers covered by the Railway Labor Act.

Most executive employees in the outside world are not regulated by the government. Most salaried execs do not have the same protections and limitations, thats why their jobs can be more portable to other companies.
Pilots by virtue of seniority based contracts have largely traded portability for fleeting job security. Perhaps not the best trade off but thats what we have negotiated.

If you approve of DL management applying the outside world "rules" to us, then all the pilots at DAL are in big trouble. We should let them pay us an annual salary and fly us to FAR limits. We should let them remove all scope protection and rigs. As much as we like to think we are executives, we are covered under a LABOR contract. We are a LABOR union. We are covered under LABOR laws. We are not salaried management employees under individual contract.

There are at times special cases that need to be handled outside the contract, but rarely for the pilot group as a whole. I expect us to take advantage of the good parts of our contract, management will take advantage of the parts that were poorly negotiated.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

Rhino Driver

What happened to professionalism? I agree, this isn't that hard to accomplish and you are being paid for doing the training. I'm on mil leave for the month but the training will be completed on schedule.

Bucking Bar

Is there a test on this one? If not, just self certify the thing & get paid.

You are going to have to study up again anyway before you fly the line with the new call outs. Procedurally, there is not much of a difference except for the cold weather operations, which I use as an opportunity to give myself a little one day recurrent yearly in October regardless.

Just be glad you did not lose your vacation and get to enjoy a month at the Comfort Inn for another Type and a pay cut, with the expectation of getting displaced again within 6 to 8 weeks.