C17MooseDriver

I agree, although he was stating that SWA never has, not never will.

Lifer

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Originally Posted by flyguy23
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals. However, if F9 gets a fair integration by their standards with swa, they'd be crazy not to take it.


This is my point also. I have been around many years and have seen with my own eyes big airlines shutting small ones down. Republic has a plan to grow F9. I personally believe that F9 guys would end up in a much better position in the long term to be bought by Republic.
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Dont take this the wrong way but if this is an acquisition, wouldn't Frontier guys automatically get stapled to the bottom of the list? Also, I don't see how the most junior guy at SWA who bought a type rating could possibly be bumped in seniority. Don't get me wrong Frontier is a great place but without SWA they probably would end up with Republic. I guess you have to go with the better company in SWA even if it means having a job.


You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals.
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals. However, if F9 gets a fair integration by their standards with swa, they'd be crazy not to take it.


This is my point also. I have been around many years and have seen with my own eyes big airlines shutting small ones down. Republic has a plan to grow F9. I personally believe that F9 guys would end up in a much better position in the long term to be bought by Republic.
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals

Wow good points, I never thought of it in that respect. Yeah swa is overstaffed but they have never furloughed from what I understand. However, if there is no established payscale on the bus and Republic takes over then maybe things could go better over there. Why did I get into this business is the real question I'm asking now, haha. Thanks for the insight

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" And we should listen to what you are saying because you speak of "weekly updates" from BB as a signed sealed and delivered CBA "

I never said anyone should " Listen " to Me--I said that what I speak of is based on facts--THAT COME DIRECTLY FROM THE CEO, WHO MAKES IT VERY CLEAR TO US WHAT HIS VISIONS AND INTENTIONS ARE.

Yes, you do have a problem " Reading for Comprehension " .

BTW,
Podcasts, Weekly Updates don't deliver a New Signed, Sealed, and Delivered CBA--We, as a Pilot Group Do!

" You discount my statements as arrogant and BS when I plainly admit that I am basing much of those statements as opinions (my own I might add) and conjecture"

Your Statements are Arrogant---using Opinion and Conjecture in the same Sentences--as others use Rumor and Speculation--doesn't lend anymore credibility to your so-called Qualifier " I Plainly Admit That I Am Basing those Statements as..........."

How " Noble " of You.

I try to give the people involved useful information--that they can use to make somewhat informed choices/decisions.

Far more than your so called, Opinion and Conjecture.

The battle is not between you or me--it's about people being able to continue to be Gainfully Employed--Supporting their Families!

Let's try to give them beneficial information--along with some compassion!

Debating me on the winfalls of either plan--gets us nowhere.

If Growth is really not part of the SWA Long Term Plan for F9--then put it out there truthfully--and let F9 make up their own minds.

If Growth is part of the long term plan--then prove all of us wrong, including the opinions of those posted above--because they want to continue to be Gainfully Employed and not be subjected to Rumor or Conjecture!

I can tell you that growth For F9 is part of our Plan--and that is not Conjecture.


To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development.

Lifer

Pilots were already Furloughed from September 2008--Long before this deal was even a thought .

The Midwest Routes we started Flying is not being done by choice---It's called " Contractual Obligation ".

We are required to per the currently expired contract ( 100 seats--no, but if Management decides to pull, or block, seats--Less than 100 seats--we are obligated to fly with no course of action) and if we don't--per that currently expired contract--we would be refusing an assignment and subject to termination.

The Midwest Pilots can't begin Flying the Airframes until Integration is Complete and They are placed in, and Complete,Training on the Airframes in Question.

Again, they have a Contract and we must abide by it.

This is not Superior Intellect--Just Contract Law 101 .

BTW,
Who do you imagine will be Flying Those Routes when the Integration and The Training on the Airframes is Complete ????

I'll let you figure that one out--I don't claim to have Superior Intellect, but, Common Sense sure does go a long way.


It is a thousand times better to have common sense without education than to have education without common sense.

Flex81

Hey Lifer-
Just to let you know... I have not read one single post of yours after the first one where you stated SWA has no union and Frontier is ALPA. Oh, do you really think BB is using SWA to fund your industry leading contract you say you are getting? Get a life dude. Start by unplugging your computer... you obviously have way too much time on your hands.

FAULTPUSH

I was trying to guess how the majority of furloughed F9 guys would feel. I kind of think that they'd prefer Republic. With WN, they are already fat on pilots, and any merger would put the furloughed F9 guys below any WN pilot who is on the property. So the choice for a furloughee boils down to the following -
WN, where you can be certain of being called back at good pay sometime in the next year or two, and might upgrade in 10-15 years if they're lucky, or...
RAH, where it is very possible, if not likely, that in 5-7 years F9 will be double its current size and every furloughed pilot will be a captain, but admittedly with a higher likelihood than the WN option that things might fall apart down the road.
It comes down to what Dirty Harry said..."Do you feel lucky?"

LuvJockey

Just out of curiosity, how many of the RAH guys out there think that having F9 as a part of their company will give them a bid for an A320?

The heavy equipment operators certainly aren't hiring, so I'm thinking that there isn't much going on as far as fast upgrades.

Would an F9 acquisition give RAH pilots a means to a more lucrative career by staying within the company? Would seniority integration give senior RAH captains priority for A320 left seats over current F9 pilots?

I dunno, I'm just asking.

FlyingViking

Well said, what a joke of a character....

Nortonious

Lifer, you really are going a bit crazy with your verbose posts. Knock it off already, just let it go.

flyguy23

No RAH pilot would be able to bid over to the airbus for a long time. I can promise there would be long term fences put in place during the integration. However, it may present opportunities in the future when the fences expire or if more airbus are ordered. More than likely, RAH pilots would benefit from growth on the F9 cert (as would F9 pilots), as a fence could be permanent. We just won't know until something more definitive comes out as to who will win the bid.

Waldo11

Laughed so hard I nearly p***ed myself. Well played sir.

Although the kitten tail isn't on property yet.....