The US, ex-PI 767-200s are not full GW 200ERs like CO or El Al have (395.0), but 351.0 max-tow airplanes. Having flown them at 2 major airlines, I can assure you they only have a 9-9.5 hour range unrestricted. ATH-PHL must be 10 hours or more WB. Very difficult to do nonstop in a -200ER. And, the -300ER has a 11.5-12 hr range. We flew it nonstop from west coast-Europe and JFK-middle east/north Africa nonstop, both ways.
The flight home from Athens to Philly is near 11 hours. They seem to be making it just fine. I was unaware there are two gross weight versions of the ER. All 3 Versions of the ER have the same fuel tankage. That is why the 200 has the longest range. It is the lightest and the 400 has the shortest range. It is the heaviest. The 300 falls in the middle. Delta has regularly used the 300 ER on flights over 12 hours. We usually can make it with full seats even on those flights. Max gross is 407.0 for most 300's. A 200 with a max gross of 395.0 is not going to have any trouble filling all the seats and going further then the 300.
Boeing lists only the 200 at 395.0 as having been built. You can order a lighter weight version for less cost and to limit landing and take off fees however there are normally no structural differences. If you want the higher gross weight you simply call Boeing and send them a check. Delta did this to its fleet of 300ER's. They ordered them as 407,000 aircraft. When they started flying them over 12 hours they called Boeing and bumped the weights to 412,000 on some of the airframes. Paperwork change only. Boeing lists the 200ER as having 600 miles more range then the 300ER.
Last edited by sailingfun : 09-08-2009 at 08:12 AM.
Max gross is 407.0 for most 300's. A 200 with a max gross of 395.0 is not going to have any trouble filling all the seats and going further then the 300.
Boeing lists only the 200 at 395.0 as having been built. You can order a lighter weight version for less cost and to limit landing and take off fees however there are normally no structural differences.Boeing lists the 200ER as having 600 miles more range then the 300ER.
Yes, I agree the newest full-up HGW -200ER has 395,000 MTOW and the furthest range. But, the USairways (ex-Piedmont) -200ERs are not full GW -200ERs, but 351,000 MTOW. They don't carry the same fuel as a 395.0 aircraft, and their range is much shorter. I flew -200ERs with 337.0, 351.0 and 370.0 weights. The US jets have the smaller GW, and were delivered in
'87-'90. The Boeing specs you refer to are for the latest, newest -200ER, which is a 395.0 airplane, like CAL has, which is the only one available for production. In the 1980's and early 90's, they only built the smaller GW airplanes.
So, back to the thread, a 351.0 767 can't make 11 hours WB from ATH to PHL.
Yes, I agree the newest full-up HGW -200ER has 395,000 MTOW and the furthest range. But, the USairways (ex-Piedmont) -200ERs are not full GW -200ERs, but 351,000 MTOW. They don't carry the same fuel as a 395.0 aircraft, and their range is much shorter. I flew -200ERs with 337.0, 351.0 and 370.0 weights. The US jets have the smaller GW, and were delivered in
'87-'90. The Boeing specs you refer to are for the latest, newest -200ER, which is a 395.0 airplane, like CAL has, which is the only one available for production. In the 1980's and early 90's, they only built the smaller GW airplanes.
So, back to the thread, a 351.0 767 can't make 11 hours WB from ATH to PHL.
I fly the ATH route often. They fly it right along side of us. I have never heard them stop for gas once so they must have a different aircraft then you believe or they really know how to save gas!
Its always a 767-200. The listed range specs between the 767-200 and the A330-200 are within 300 miles of each other. They are very close. The 300ER with winglets has near the same range as the 767-200.
A friend of mine was on that flight. According to her they waited in the plane for about 4 hours after push back. Something went wrong and they had to wait for mx personnel. After 6 hours delay they deplaned the pax and rebooked them on the same flight next day.. My friend managed to be put on BA flight to IAD.
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