What if Compass decided to leave ALPA (hope not).... now all of a sudden Delta flowbacks are no longer ALPA pilots. I would like to think Moak and Delta South considered this.... or maybe they were just thinking about the senior half of the pilot group. That wouldn't surprise a lot of us. DALPA= a captains union.
If you need to be walked through these simple principles, then we are in trouble....
What if Compass decided to leave ALPA (hope not).... now all of a sudden Delta flowbacks are no longer ALPA pilots. I would like to think Moak and Delta South considered this....
You understand that the flow is contractual in nature, so it doesn't matter who the collective bargaining agent is...
If the flow ends for any reason, then the number of permitted 76 seat aircraft drops to 85.
You understand that the flow is contractual in nature, so it doesn't matter who the collective bargaining agent is...
If the flow ends for any reason, then the number of permitted 76 seat aircraft drops to 85.
Slow,
Not entirely correct - there is no successorship or fragmentation provisions if CPS is sold and the purchaser of either the acft or the airline has no affiliation with the DAL brand. This was also the case before "transitioning" CPS
Of course the real value in the CPS franchise is the one that comes with it's DCI flying (and DAL's ability to whipsaw the other DCI's on cost, which IMO negates one of LM's raise the regional bar goal) so it's an unlikely scenario, unless RAH or someone else just want's the acft and is willing to pay top dollar and DAL is looking for a way out of the flow.
Not entirely correct - there is no successorship or fragmentation provisions if CPS is sold and the purchaser of either the acft or the airline has no affiliation with the DAL brand. This was also the case before "transitioning" CPS
You're going to have to clarify here. Do you believe that the number of permitted aircraft would remain at 120 if the flow went away?
So what are the reasons the delta south guys give for doing this?
Go ask a North rep. Talk to two or three of them, then call a South rep or two. If you do that amount of work, you will probably get to a decent summation of what the real reasons were.
The one I have been told over and over for the last six month was the conflict of interest of DALPA who represents the goals and interests of Delta pilots representing the goals and interests of regional pilots.
Add to that, that many cited that this was the plan all along and it was actually written out that once the majority of the members at CPS were off probation and could represent themselves, that this was the course that was planned.
So what are the reasons the delta south guys give for doing this?
Lee Moak runs the show and the LEC's guys do what he says. That is exactly what happened at the meeting. 12 FNWA guys voting one way and 13 DAL guys voting another...The 13 DAL south guys are senior at DAL, have a selfish agenda, and have convinced themselves that having cheap Compass pilots replacing their DC-9 routes will save DAL money and in turn end up in their pockets somehow. What is good for Delta is good for them, maybe.
I fly the 175 at Compass and I jumpseated on a DC-9 a few months ago. I took a look at the pairing that crew was flying and a few weeks later I flew that exact pairing in the 175. The bottom line is, the closer CPZ is to the DAL MEC the more control the pilots of Delta have control over CPZ flying. They just gave it up.
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If you need to be walked through these simple principles, then we are in trouble.
This move weakens unity at a time when ALPA claims to be taking it back. This is not taking it back, it is giving it away.
mynameisjim has a very good point. Think about the US Airways guys that went to Mid Atlantic. Aren't some of them still Teamsters pilots at Republic?
What if Compass decided to leave ALPA (hope not).... now all of a sudden Delta flowbacks are no longer ALPA pilots. I would like to think Moak and Delta South considered this.... or maybe they were just thinking about the senior half of the pilot group. That wouldn't surprise a lot of us. DALPA= a captains union.
Exactly... the representational abandonment facilitates a management transaction which could abrogate the flow by making Compass disappear.
In whatever new Corporate form that is made, there would be a vote to decide representation.
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Slow,
Not entirely correct - there is no successorship or fragmentation provisions if CPS is sold and the purchaser of either the acft or the airline has no affiliation with the DAL brand. This was also the case before "transitioning" CPS.
If you need to be walked through these simple principles, then we are in trouble.
This move weakens unity at a time when ALPA claims to be taking it back. This is not taking it back, it is giving it away.
mynameisjim has a very good point. Think about the US Airways guys that went to Mid Atlantic. Aren't some of them still Teamsters pilots at Republic?
What if Compass decided to leave ALPA (hope not).... now all of a sudden Delta flowbacks are no longer ALPA pilots. I would like to think Moak and Delta South considered this.... or maybe they were just thinking about the senior half of the pilot group. That wouldn't surprise a lot of us. DALPA= a captains union.
Other than making that statement, is there 1 thing that ALPA has done to prove it?
Lee Moak runs the show and the LEC's guys do what he says. That is exactly what happened at the meeting. 12 FNWA guys voting one way and 13 DAL guys voting another...The 13 DAL south guys are senior at DAL, have a selfish agenda, and have convinced themselves that having cheap Compass pilots replacing their DC-9 routes will save DAL money and in turn end up in their pockets somehow.
What a load!
Of the south voting reps, one was furloughed for 5 years (actually was an LAPD Officer). Only 6 were hired prior to 1996, and only three of the 13 are in the top 25% of the seniority list. The facts don't support your statement
I'm wondering who is really selfish here? You didn't get your way, so you whine and lash out.
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