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Originally Posted by Homa
You shouldn't have to spell everything out in the FOM.
We're paid for our judgment and sound decision making not only in the cockpit but in public.
Maybe I'm way too conservative. But, I personally would never ever drink in the airport bar in partial uniform and/or while toting my roll-aboard and/or flight bag.
You are spot on with your opinion... however we have FOMs and SOPS to protect ourselves from our own stupidity. Many company FOMs contain sections where consumption of alcohol, even whilst jumpseating, is prohibited. In addition acting host crewmembers can deny the jumpseater a ride if suspected to be under the influence.
I knew one poor individual that put Vodka in the water bottle for consumption on the way home. Can't the individual a fool... for they must have deep issues to go to such lengths to ensure they have their booze for the trip home. This was before the liquid ban by TSA.
There is no "partial" uniform; you are either in it or not? I like drinking in my work shirt with no pants, but that's for another thread.
That's how I roll! Double breasted jacket, uniform shirt, hat, shoes...and a smile. Porky Pig'in it!
In the previously quoted situation, though- people ask me if I'm a pilot even when I'm in uniform. I doubt anyone but other flight crew could identify the guy as such without his epaulets/wings/ID on. That being said- why would you pay 5+ bucks for a beer in an airport bar... I thought pilots were cheap?
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This is big boy stuff. If you're in uniform, even partially in uniform, and the public can see that you represent the profession, don't drink. If you're jumpseating and out of uniform, you're an "additional crew member" in my book and shouldn't drink. If you're non-revving out of uniform, have at it. When guys do stupid **** like this it paints all of us negatively.
A pilot in "commuter uniform" stands out like a sore thumb to us crew, but the public hasn't got the faintest clue. Just another dude with slacks and a white shirt.
Possession of a stickered-up flight bag might give it away to the observant few, but most are still oblivious I think. I doubt the public cares at all if an off-duty, out-of-uniform pilot has a beer.
That said I put on a civilian shirt if I want have a drink, although I usually just wait till I get home to my neighborhood watering hole.
There might be issues with a drinking in a uniform shirt. However, when not in uniform at all, I see no problem with drinking at an airport bar with luggage that might indicate that you're a pilot. I do transoceanic deadheads all the time and it is practically a ritual for me to have a Bloody Mary or two before the flight, especially if I'm in a middle seat in steerage.
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You shouldn't have to spell everything out in the FOM.
We're paid for our judgment and sound decision making not only in the cockpit but in public.
Maybe I'm way too conservative. But, I personally would never ever drink in the airport bar in partial uniform and/or while toting my roll-aboard and/or flight bag.
I agree with you except for the part about when toting your roll aboard around the airport. I have had my flight kit and bag with me plenty of times, out of uniform, non-reving and have had a beer or two at an airport bar. What's the big deal? What's next? Cant drink on your days off because someone may identify you as a pilot?
Again, I agree with what you said about being in uniform or partial uniform, but if you are off duty, in civilian clothes, regardless of what bags you are carrying around, you should be able to do whatever the heck you want.
It's a judgment call I guess. Heck, I don't have ANY stickers on either of my bags; just the red crew tags.
I personally choose to play it a little too safe maybe. I never want to be in a situation when I end up on the 5 o'clock news or have to explain myself to the CP. I can just as easily wait until I get home to have a beer.
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Originally Posted by Chente
I agree with you except for the part about when toting your roll aboard around the airport. I have had my flight kit and bag with me plenty of times, out of uniform, non-reving and have had a beer or two at an airport bar. What's the big deal? What's next? Cant drink on your days off because someone may identify you as a pilot?
Again, I agree with what you said about being in uniform or partial uniform, but if you are off duty, in civilian clothes, regardless of what bags you are carrying around, you should be able to do whatever the heck you want.
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