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Old 10-14-2009, 03:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If you work for an airline I would assume that it will be their responsibility to ATP you.
Bad assumption. If it's not spelled out in the law, then that will be up to the airline to decide.

Hopefully most will pony up since it should just be a PC + extra maneuvers + 8710.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bad assumption. If it's not spelled out in the law, then that will be up to the airline to decide.

Hopefully most will pony up since it should just be a PC + extra maneuvers + 8710.
True, but the precedence of the Radio Telephone permit, a Passport etc are there. When those became required the companies that I know of footed the bill.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
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A late change was made to the legislation allowing "credit" toward flight hours for specific academic training, which CAPA is opposed to...
so does that allow places like gulfstream acadamey to still operate and place students in the right seat of 121 ops?
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Bad assumption. If it's not spelled out in the law, then that will be up to the airline to decide.

Hopefully most will pony up since it should just be a PC + extra maneuvers + 8710.

This was my point, albeit poorly worded.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-
  • (A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive pre-employment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.
    (B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
    • (i) have obtained an airline transport pilot license under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
      (ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:57 PM   #16 (permalink)
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My point was that if they do not grandfather in current non-atp pilots the airlines will have to foot the bill. New applicants will have to meet the ATP mins and hold the certificate.
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:00 PM   #17 (permalink)
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"Let's hope your regional doesn't cheap out....
Good luck with that. I can't even get a replacement for my faded epaullettes!!!
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Good luck with that. I can't even get a replacement for my faded epaullettes!!!

Unless you work for UPS (where all items are paid for) em second ones are on you.
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This bill will be a boon for military flying, which is a good thing for the nation. Get more time and better training at government expense, get your ATP on your own time, and show up ready to go with an airline. That "used" to be the way it was done before the regionals became a player and grew exponentially in the early 2000s.
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This bill will be a boon for military flying, which is a good thing for the nation. Get more time and better training at government expense, get your ATP on your own time, and show up ready to go with an airline. That "used" to be the way it was done before the regionals became a player and grew exponentially in the early 2000s.
PS. The pay is better but be prepared for some "interesting" lay overs.
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