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Old 10-16-2009, 06:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Another F9/RAH Question

I was looking to book a flight for my sister-in-law to fly from SEA to DEN and found an F9 flight operated by RAH using the E-190. I was surprised to see one of F9's mainline flights operated by RAH. While I understand everyone is the same company now, until F9 pilots are integrated into the senority list shouldn't they still have the scope protection they had before the buyout? If not, what is keeping RAH from doing to Frontier what they did to Midwest?

F9 guys and gals your input would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This will turn probably turn ugly, but...

Frontier will be flying 5 Airbii out of Milwaukee and Republic will be flying 5 E190's out of Denver. So for Frontier and Republic its a wash flying and crew wise.
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This will turn probably turn ugly, but...

Frontier will be flying 5 Airbii out of Milwaukee and Republic will be flying 5 E190's out of Denver. So for Frontier and Republic its a wash flying and crew wise.

Is there a written LOA between the unions? Guessing the Midwest crews were just washed out.

How about the double standard that CHQ CRJs are retired, the CHQ pilots move to Midwest, and after MEH 717 are retired, the MEH pilots are kicked to the street.



But James Reichart, director of advertising and brand for Midwest Airlines, points out that the company ....

"We're retiring the Boeing 717's as part of our overall restructuring begun last year, which leaves that FAA operating certificate without aircraft to accompany it, since the routes are being flown with Republic E170's/E190's, which are already on their own operating certificate." Reichart said.
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This will turn probably turn ugly, but...
Which I hope is not the case. The situation seems pretty complex (at least for me) and I'm trying to figure out how it fits together.
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The management at republic is going to do whatever they choose without any regard for what either pilot group thinks. Fly it and Grieve is apparently in the bible. Currently it is a wash as one poster noted. I would not be afaird to bet that along with the deal to purchase the 10 E190's from airways there is another deal yet to be announced to lease A318s to US Air from Frontier. This is what the "Rev" calls right sizing the fleet. He will furlough the French Boat drivers in favor of the lower paid Jungle Bus skippers. Until we as the 4 labor RAH, F9, Lynx, YX labor groups can get a integration of seniority no one will be able to cross bid a certificate. I am assuming Big B is hoping that drags on long enough so he can "right size" the pilot group as well.

As it stands any pilot taking an illegal job action will end up fired and unfortunately the railway labor act supports that. If you want to get the power back into labors hands the RLA needs to be repealed.
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I was looking to book a flight for my sister-in-law to fly from SEA to DEN and found an F9 flight operated by RAH using the E-190.
Just book her on Alaska and she's guaranteed a mainline aircraft and crew!
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Just book her on Alaska and she's guaranteed a mainline aircraft and crew!
if they don't run out of pilots on the day of her flight that is.......
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Frontier pilots are protected in the sense that they cannot be displaced from the Airbus, or certificate. Basically, until integration occurs, all pilots are slaved to their particular seniority list, and to the aircraft that seniority list entitles them to fly. If Frontier loses Airbuses, they lose pilots. When RAH loses its remianing CRJ's and the United 145's this year, those RAH pilots who cannot find an open seat find the street. When Midwest loses 717's, they lose pilots (as has been seen for months now). After integration, things will operate in a less offensive way.

Frontier pilots have not lost overall flying, just particular routes. There has been no decrease in demand for the Airbus. RAH is justified in putting the Airbus on whatever routes it wants to. If Frontier pilots want to fly only certain routes, then their union will negotiate a way for Frontier pilots to bid for seats on other RAH aircraft immediately after integration. If maintaining seats on the Airbus, no matter where the Airbus goes, is more important to Frontier pilots, then fences will be negotiated.
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Frontier pilots are protected in the sense that they cannot be displaced from the Airbus, or certificate. Basically, until integration occurs, all pilots are slaved to their particular seniority list, and to the aircraft that seniority list entitles them to fly. If Frontier loses Airbuses, they lose pilots. When RAH loses its remianing CRJ's and the United 145's this year, those RAH pilots who cannot find an open seat find the street. When Midwest loses 717's, they lose pilots (as has been seen for months now). After integration, things will operate in a less offensive way.

Frontier pilots have not lost overall flying, just particular routes. There has been no decrease in demand for the Airbus. RAH is justified in putting the Airbus on whatever routes it wants to. If Frontier pilots want to fly only certain routes, then their union will negotiate a way for Frontier pilots to bid for seats on other RAH aircraft immediately after integration. If maintaining seats on the Airbus, no matter where the Airbus goes, is more important to Frontier pilots, then fences will be negotiated.


Do you realize Republic pilots are moving into Midwest painted aircraft and flying Midwest markets we fought for over the last 25 years.

We are going on unemployment. This integration deal needs to move along for us to have any respect for the Republic pilots. More delaying only shows Midwest pilots the real reason for not writing a LOA covering the current Midwest pilots.

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