Originally Posted by Joe Smith

Just a crazy thought - nothing negative intended - don't know all of the facts - Any chance that the CA and FO had something going on? Crazy, yes, but we are all about conjecture now . . .

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Actually we do quite a good job of policing ourselves. If you look at almost any other profession you will see that only repeated gross poor performance is a reason for being removed. I worked a side business providing services for medium size companies and the buffoonery that went on there was incredible.

No one would argue that these two incidents (taxiway landing, flying past destination) are mistakes. I am sure the two crews would give a lot to have a do over for this.

The question is do you throw away these people for one mistake? How many years of service, how many flights have these two crews given to their airlines with no problems. We are human, we make mistakes. If you threw away everyone who makes a mistake then you will create a pretty toxic atmosphere in the company and in the cockpit. Can you imagine a crew racing each other to turn each other in whenever something out of the ordinary comes up. How about a missed radio call? What if a Captain makes a wrong turn on a taxiway?

I have been at Delta for awhile now. They do a very good job of protecting their pilots even after they make mistakes. For everyone new to Delta, you should remember that management will not forgive lying to them. If you fell asleep, tell them you fell asleep, etc. After you give them the full story, they will stand behind you for the FAA and all other comers.

We have a great profession that performs miracles every day. We are human also. Learn from your own mistakes, learn from others mistakes, let's not rush to judgment and throw people away as soon as they act human.

Originally Posted by Kingbird87

The generation Next wannabees and frustrated RJ copilots that want the left seat of a 777 now have taken over. I haven't seen a serious mature discussion here lately.

Originally Posted by C152PIC

This makes me sick! Say what you will about me after I post this, but seriously, GROW UP and take responsibility for YOUR actions and stop blaming "the industry" that you so desperatly want to remain a part of. On one of my recent trips I awoke at 3:30am to commute after getting up at midnight with a new baby, and yeah...I was flippin tired on our last leg (of 5) also around 8:00pm, but I'm an adult and I stuck it out no matter what it took because it's MY JOB to keep the people SAFE in the back. And for what it's worth, from what I've heard it was leg 1 of 2 after a 19 hr rest for this crew.

Sure, I feel that people should be allowed to make mistakes and their jobs should survive. However, mistakes as big as this and as terribly as this outcome could have been are inexcusable! There's plenty of qualified people in line to take their place.

It's things like this that make me paranoid to be in the back. I'm curious to know that if the outcome were different would you still have the same response? If this plane had run out of fuel and the pilots awoke to make an emergency landing and only killed half the people onboard, would you still be insistent that these pilots should keep their jobs?? Because after all, they saved half the people....that's better than none!