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Old 10-24-2009, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Pilot shortage much?

By my count 6546 professional pilots are currently laid off right now.

I added up as much info as I could stand from apc. I used Legacy, LCC/Nationals, Regionals, Cargo, Fractional, Charter, pt 135. etc...Did I miss anybody? Anybody else have any different numbers?
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Old 10-24-2009, 07:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I ve been flying for 30 + years and have lost count of how many times i ve heard about " the upcoming pilot shortage " . has not happened yet but i'm still holding out for it
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Old 10-24-2009, 07:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Pilot shortage?!?!?! Pilot shortage?!!?? Where??? When??? How can this be?!?!
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By my count 6546 professional pilots are currently laid off right now.

I added up as much info as I could stand from apc. I used Legacy, LCC/Nationals, Regionals, Cargo, Fractional, Charter, pt 135. etc...Did I miss anybody? Anybody else have any different numbers?

I think if you double that number, you might account for more of the part 91 outfits, CFIs, etc.

I just wish there were 6546 unemployed management types!
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Pilot shortage?!?!?! Pilot shortage?!!?? Where??? When??? How can this be?!?!

I guess we never had a shortage but just DESPARATION by management, why else hire guys/gals with 400 hours TT?

BTW - it will be interesting to see how the new ATP rule will be played out with the regionals and pilot mills.
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Old 10-24-2009, 09:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I guess we never had a shortage but just DESPARATION by management, why else hire guys/gals with 400 hours TT?

BTW - it will be interesting to see how the new ATP rule will be played out with the regionals and pilot mills.
Anyone have any idea what will happen to people that got hired with less than 1,500/ATP, and are currently on furlough? Can they legally come back to work?
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Anyone have any idea what will happen to people that got hired with less than 1,500/ATP, and are currently on furlough? Can they legally come back to work?

I'm pretty sure the new law goes into effect 3 years after it was signed. So if one flys 500 hours a year, then in 3 years they will have 1,500 plus whatever hours they had at date of hire. I assume regionals will be working with something like my previous example. And yes, I believe they can legally go back to work.

Hope that answers your question.
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I'm pretty sure the new law goes into effect 3 years after it was signed. So if one flys 500 hours a year, then in 3 years they will have 1,500 plus whatever hours they had at date of hire. I assume regionals will be working with something like my previous example. And yes, I believe they can legally go back to work.

Hope that answers your question.
I thought that part was a bit confusing. I think the idea is to allow everyone currently with a 121 operation to get their ATPs so nobody gets kicked out of a job. However, I think anybody getting hired (first time or perhaps even recalled) will have to have the ATP the day it's signed. Just depends on how the final wording is.

Also keep in mind with the numbers of furloughed pilots plus another 3 years to go on the age 65 thing and it might be a moot point. Even if things stay the same it will be a long, long time before they hire 400 hour wonders again.
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...nevermind
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No pilot shortage ,my understanding is that there is a pay shortage though!


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