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Old 11-01-2009, 09:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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[quote=SomedayRJ;704574](1) That's Speaker Pelosi to you. Let's keep respectful tongues in our mouths.

How do you know I was referring to Speaker Pelosi and not just calling President Obama a Nancy?
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The rules have changed. Get over it. You're painting a very large and diverse group with a very broad brush.

I think your image of a senior captain is delusional. Rather than someone who is wealthy, yet stays after age sixty out of greed, it's more likely that he is someone who was headed toward a moderately comfortable retirement until the pension disappeared, and the stock market imploded.

Next thing, you're going to be calling a pilot over 60 a scab...

(BTW, I'm 51 years old)
Yep, FLY TILL YA DIE man...
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
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How do you know I was referring to Speaker Pelosi and not just calling President Obama a Nancy?
Heh. I just wish that I could find properly deferential coverage - of either party - from any of the media. Senator so-and-so, Congressman (or woman) so-and-such, President Obama, and so forth. (this is my BA, political science/public administration speaking. Hell, I'll even call the Administrator (FAA) Administrator so-and-so-I-forget-his-or-her-name.)

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I'm resisting the urge to play the airline pilot sterotypes with respect to alimony, divorces, and so forth - but some pilots will probably have to. Even excluding that, and in the case of my immediate family, they'll have to keep flying at least until 65 to have some kind of retirement, given the screwage of the stock markets. (Of course, they'll *NEVER* drop below 10k...)
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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The more senior a pilot was at Delta the more likely he was to vote for assessments for the junior pilots. I saw a breakdown after the first furlough and the percentages were pretty consistent with a slightly great margin with the over 50 guys. One of the interesting things at Delta is that some of the worst offenders in flying overtime and Greenslips with pilots on furlough were the junior pilots and the very worst seemed to be guys just recalled from furlough.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:37 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Gee, another thread about how greedy senior guys are and how bad junior guys have it. You babies are like a broken record. In the words of a famous old guy, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

On behalf of all people born before 1964, I would like to apologize to all you 20 and 30 somethings for the lousy upbringing we have given you. Oh we thought we were doing the right thing, sheltering you from any hardships. We were so successful in building the country after WWII into the most powerful, prosperous, and free place on earth that we could shield our children from want privation. We gave you everything you could ever want and then some. We sent you to prestigious colleges with out you having to work or save your own money. We thought we were setting you up to be more successful than we ever dreamed of being.

We realize now that all we did was create a bunch of whining, crying, lazy, unable to cope babies the world has ever seen. 30 is the new 20 you told us when you refused to get jobs and move out of the house. When you did find someone to hire you, you were incredulous that you had to start at the bottom. How can one maintain the same standard of living (that your parents provided you) on entry level wages. Why can't one go directly to an airline job from CFI/college/ALLATPs?

Now that you realize that nothing is for free, that the road to where we are is long and hard, you cry and whine and demand that "you old geezers need to get the heck our of our way!" "You are screwing the junior guys by A. Breathing
B. Not retiring at 55 or 60
C. Exercising hard earned seniority and contractual rights

I got news for you kiddies, it ain't the senior guy's fault your life/job/career progression stinks! In the words of another famous old guy, "It's the economy stupid!"

So in summation, if you don't like where you are in life, then do something about it. Stop whining and blaming every one else. Find a new vocation. If this is truly what you want to do then learn some patience. You are set up quite nicely to benefit from a rising economy. When the hiring floodgates open they will open wide. You are already logging Part 121 time. Keep a good attitude and you will get hired.

If you are junior at a major, be happy you are employed in a pretty cool job. Even first year pay is pretty good when compared to other entry level jobs. If you can't live on that, then go try your hand on Wall Street. You think we are over worked...

Oh, and guess what. I am in my second year. So I am junior too. Age and experience just gives me a little perspective that some of you kids lack.
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Whewwww, another over 60 foodfight. Based on the OP, I figured this would turn political and be shut down somewhere on the first page. Boy did I misunderstand the origional question.

Moving on, nothing new here
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If the public option goes through and is as "cheap" as I suspect it will be, I'll retire at least 15 years early.

If a single-payer becomes reality, I'll retire at least 20 years early.

I'm not particularly interested in working hard and making the unique sacrifices this job demands just to fork over more dough for Uncle Sam to give to lay-abouts. This is not facetious; at some point, I'd just assume accept a much lower standard of living than work to "feed the beast".

Please take my seat, work hard, and send the dough in so I get my "free" health care. Thanks!

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Atlas is shrugging!
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Not that I support Nancy's Public Health Care Plan, but does anyone think that there will be more senior pilots retiring prior to 65 or more Pilots willing to take an airline offered early retirement program (Like the Delta PERP) if there was a Public Health Care Plan?

No.

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Atlas is shrugging!
Who is John Galt?
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