Gee, another thread about how greedy senior guys are and how bad junior guys have it. You babies are like a broken record. In the words of a famous old guy, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"
On behalf of all people born before 1964, I would like to apologize to all you 20 and 30 somethings for the lousy upbringing we have given you. Oh we thought we were doing the right thing, sheltering you from any hardships. We were so successful in building the country after WWII into the most powerful, prosperous, and free place on earth that we could shield our children from want privation. We gave you everything you could ever want and then some. We sent you to prestigious colleges with out you having to work or save your own money. We thought we were setting you up to be more successful than we ever dreamed of being.
We realize now that all we did was create a bunch of whining, crying, lazy, unable to cope babies the world has ever seen. 30 is the new 20 you told us when you refused to get jobs and move out of the house. When you did find someone to hire you, you were incredulous that you had to start at the bottom. How can one maintain the same standard of living (that your parents provided you) on entry level wages. Why can't one go directly to an airline job from CFI/college/ALLATPs?
Now that you realize that nothing is for free, that the road to where we are is long and hard, you cry and whine and demand that "you old geezers need to get the heck our of our way!" "You are screwing the junior guys by A. Breathing
B. Not retiring at 55 or 60
C. Exercising hard earned seniority and contractual rights
I got news for you kiddies, it ain't the senior guy's fault your life/job/career progression stinks! In the words of another famous old guy, "It's the economy stupid!"
So in summation, if you don't like where you are in life, then do something about it. Stop whining and blaming every one else. Find a new vocation. If this is truly what you want to do then learn some patience. You are set up quite nicely to benefit from a rising economy. When the hiring floodgates open they will open wide. You are already logging Part 121 time. Keep a good attitude and you will get hired.
If you are junior at a major, be happy you are employed in a pretty cool job. Even first year pay is pretty good when compared to other entry level jobs. If you can't live on that, then go try your hand on Wall Street. You think we are over worked...
Oh, and guess what. I am in my second year. So I am junior too. Age and experience just gives me a little perspective that some of you kids lack.
I agree with most of what you say, but as far as us being handed things??? Ummm no. The the world has changed.
After World War II any decent competition to America was either our Ally, under Soviet rule, or was laying in decimation. Now everyone and their brother can compete with the American worker and wants a piece of the pie. Where'd a lot of the jobs go??? Overseas.
We don't live in an American vacuum. Our problems are bigger than a generational battle.
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One of the best ways to improve pilot, and others, salaries is some sort of public option regarding health insurance. Currrently USA pays 15 to 18% of its GDP into health care yet has mediocre results. Insurance companies, and a spider web of support companies, take a significant portion of this money while(and this is crucial) they provide ZERO health care. They are not the providers, they are the arbiters of who receives the care and how much.(if you are in a group plan, you have some protections by Federal law that individuals don't have)
One of the biggest problems your employer faces is how to pay some sort of health benefits that continue to rise 8-15% per year. If the company has a large retiree contingent and a shrinking business, they will almost surely go bankrupt unless they dump health coverage completely. The largest impediment to an individual starting his own business is health insurance costs(take that, John Galt) The current system has no incentive to lower costs and has a huge incentive to deny care to those who need it. Your airline will be financialy more stable, and your job more secure, if the company can use a public option to bargain for lower insurance rates. It's not a silver bullet, but yours, and most of your fellow countrymans, life will be the betterfor it.
One of the best ways to improve pilot, and others, salaries is some sort of public option regarding health insurance. Currrently USA pays 15 to 18% of its GDP into health care yet has mediocre results. Insurance companies, and a spider web of support companies, take a significant portion of this money while(and this is crucial) they provide ZERO health care. They are not the providers, they are the arbiters of who receives the care and how much.(if you are in a group plan, you have some protections by Federal law that individuals don't have)
One of the biggest problems your employer faces is how to pay some sort of health benefits that continue to rise 8-15% per year. If the company has a large retiree contingent and a shrinking business, they will almost surely go bankrupt unless they dump health coverage completely. The largest impediment to an individual starting his own business is health insurance costs(take that, John Galt) The current system has no incentive to lower costs and has a huge incentive to deny care to those who need it. Your airline will be financialy more stable, and your job more secure, if the company can use a public option to bargain for lower insurance rates. It's not a silver bullet, but yours, and most of your fellow countrymans, life will be the betterfor it.
Hook, line and sinker. Your federal government is proud of you.
One of the best ways to improve pilot, and others, salaries is some sort of public option regarding health insurance. Currrently USA pays 15 to 18% of its GDP into health care yet has mediocre results. Insurance companies, and a spider web of support companies, take a significant portion of this money while(and this is crucial) they provide ZERO health care. They are not the providers, they are the arbiters of who receives the care and how much.(if you are in a group plan, you have some protections by Federal law that individuals don't have)
One of the biggest problems your employer faces is how to pay some sort of health benefits that continue to rise 8-15% per year. If the company has a large retiree contingent and a shrinking business, they will almost surely go bankrupt unless they dump health coverage completely. The largest impediment to an individual starting his own business is health insurance costs(take that, John Galt) The current system has no incentive to lower costs and has a huge incentive to deny care to those who need it. Your airline will be financialy more stable, and your job more secure, if the company can use a public option to bargain for lower insurance rates. It's not a silver bullet, but yours, and most of your fellow countrymans, life will be the betterfor it.
My god. Words fail.
As a furloughed pilot (you), I understand your frustration and your hope that everyone who's currently working pick up your bills . . . or slap the bill on your grandchildren if that doesn't work.
I've been there. Well, the "furloughed" part, anyway. I prepared (and still do) for that eventuality, and have never needed to borrow a dime or take one red cent from any government trough. It's called living below your means. Or hoping for the best, and preparing for the worst. Or not taking a job that I can't afford to lose.
Now this thread, LIKE EVERY OTHER THREAD YOU'VE POSTED ON, will undoubtedly soon be "closed". That should tell you something right there.
One of the best ways to improve pilot, and others, salaries is some sort of public option regarding health insurance. Currrently USA pays 15 to 18% of its GDP into health care yet has mediocre results. Insurance companies, and a spider web of support companies, take a significant portion of this money while(and this is crucial) they provide ZERO health care. They are not the providers, they are the arbiters of who receives the care and how much.(if you are in a group plan, you have some protections by Federal law that individuals don't have)
One of the biggest problems your employer faces is how to pay some sort of health benefits that continue to rise 8-15% per year. If the company has a large retiree contingent and a shrinking business, they will almost surely go bankrupt unless they dump health coverage completely. The largest impediment to an individual starting his own business is health insurance costs(take that, John Galt) The current system has no incentive to lower costs and has a huge incentive to deny care to those who need it. Your airline will be financialy more stable, and your job more secure, if the company can use a public option to bargain for lower insurance rates. It's not a silver bullet, but yours, and most of your fellow countrymans, life will be the betterfor it.
hmm, dude is right about the massive layers of overhead that the health "industry" has created that do not provide ANY kind of health care.....
The problem with the argument is: "When has a government agency ever been more efficient than private enterprise?"
I know our system isn't the best, and we need some serious changes but you have totally failed to sell me that we are all better off under a government run scheme.
As a furloughed pilot (you), I understand your frustration and your hope that everyone who's currently working pick up your bills . . . or slap the bill on your grandchildren if that doesn't work.
I've been there. Well, the "furloughed" part, anyway. I prepared (and still do) for that eventuality, and have never needed to borrow a dime or take one red cent from any government trough. It's called living below your means. Or hoping for the best, and preparing for the worst. Or not taking a job that I can't afford to lose.
Now this thread, LIKE EVERY OTHER THREAD YOU'VE POSTED ON, will undoubtedly soon be "closed". That should tell you something right there.
I had hoped to avoid some of the tit for tat that goes on these boards, but I think it fair for me to respond to your post.
I only posted the idea that some sort of public option on health care is beneficial as a counter balance to a general series of comments earlier. I am not, and don't claim to be, the final expert on it. I do believe my post had factual data and reasonable conclusions from it.
I never said a word about my employment situation, or what I wanted personally from a public option. I was attempting to point out that health care costs are killing the companies who pay our salaries.....if the public option works as it is envisioned to, it will ease the costs to our employers and hence make life better for their employees and customers.
As to all other threads I have posted on, this was the third, now it is the fourth as I have just posted on another. This makes 8 posts total. I think if you reviewed them you will find them all respectful. One thread was closed, though I don't see how I was involved in its closing other than the fact I started the thread early on.
There is a vast sea of knowlege and ideas out there. We can only hope to sample a little bit of it. I'm happy to read of your ideas and knowlege from your experiences and background. I only request the same in return.
One of the best ways to improve pilot, and others, salaries is some sort of public option regarding health insurance. Currrently USA pays 15 to 18% of its GDP into health care yet has mediocre results. Insurance companies, and a spider web of support companies, take a significant portion of this money while(and this is crucial) they provide ZERO health care. They are not the providers, they are the arbiters of who receives the care and how much.(if you are in a group plan, you have some protections by Federal law that individuals don't have)
One of the biggest problems your employer faces is how to pay some sort of health benefits that continue to rise 8-15% per year. If the company has a large retiree contingent and a shrinking business, they will almost surely go bankrupt unless they dump health coverage completely. The largest impediment to an individual starting his own business is health insurance costs(take that, John Galt) The current system has no incentive to lower costs and has a huge incentive to deny care to those who need it. Your airline will be financialy more stable, and your job more secure, if the company can use a public option to bargain for lower insurance rates. It's not a silver bullet, but yours, and most of your fellow countrymans, life will be the betterfor it.
Actually the biggest hurdle is that US corporations are paying some of the highest corporate taxes in the world and the taxpayers are paying a large portion of the GDP into government run health care and other "entitlement" programs. There is less competition, costs have been increased and it is easy to blame insurers, but their profit margin is quite low.
Our lives would be better if we actually encouraged private sector investment by both domestic and foreign sources through lower taxes and lower government spending in areas where it is neither wanted nor needed.
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