Spacemann Splif

I would think DAL would include some kind of no-compete clause, don't you think?

TRS531

[quote=PCL_128;706599]The ATN MEC's response:

Remember: we ARE major airline pilots, and we DESERVE a major airline contract.

I'm a MAJOR airline operations coordinator and deserve MAJOR airline pay too...the joys of a low-cost carrier while my counterpart in DL ops makes $10,000 more than me.

JetJock16

......DAL's hub'd in LAX but we're running overlapping routes there, so isn't that competing? What about the UAL routes we operate into and out of SLC from LAX, SFO and DEN? Is that competing? And in MKE none of our new routes DAL operates? What about RAH and Midwest? I guess since Midwest has a code agreement with DAL that must be OK. Hmmm, but then there's RAH and F9 in DEN. Now doesn't F9 have a code agreement with AirTran........yes so isn't that competing? How does UAL feel about that? Last I checked we didn't buy FL..........

Are we in violation of DAL scope? No. Are competing with DAL? In a roundabout way but so is our at-risk flying out of PDX that we've been operating for the better part of a decade.

Please don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if FL nailed down scope and ended this agreement but that's not going to happen anytime soon. I want to protect my future job at mainline as well.

Bottom line here is that we're not in violation of scope or our no compete clauses, we're not taking FL's flying and I guarantee this was a proposed agreement by SKW and not FL Mgmnt. But we will probably never know who really approached who. You just have to look at history and SKW has been very active in approaching mainline about these ventures, has FL?

One more point.........regional airlines are not in competition with mainline unless they purchases mainline (i.e. RAH/F9/MEH). We are in competition with other regionals for the scraps that mainline, at one time, wouldn't fly. Is it right or wrong? Sadly it’s our F'd up industry and mainline who has 99% of the control has to restrict their scraps. Otherwise the bottom feeders will continue to peck at the ground around your feet for any and all droppings.

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Killer51883

The RAH contracts are protected from no-compete clauses because they are written to the specific airlines, not the holding company (i would bet that might change next time they are renegotiated though.)

What is Airtrans's scope language? Do they allow for any sort of "express" operation? The comment from the MEC that you deserve a major airline contract hopefully doesn't include a major airline farm out all the flying scope section.

PCL_128

You certainly do.