Fishfreighter

It was actually DAL that filed the day before the law went into effect.

Flyby1206

Didnt they both file the same day? (DAL/NWA)

mwa1

they recently changed negotiating committees. give them time to get torqued.

eaglefly

For this to be true, it could only mean that the APA has softened on scope for that is one area that AMR has to have relief for AA to be a viable future competitor. As the 50-seaters wither and die, if there are no 70-76 seaters to replace them, AA has no feed and will suffocate.

If the APA leadership is softening on scope and intends to inform its pilots after the fact, my guess is many in the rank-and-file will want their heads on a platter. It's clear many want to burn the house to the ground and take their chances in BK, then capitulate on scope.

Of course, it wouldn't be the first time a union leadership either came to their senses or sold out their constituency before.

silverfox

They both filed on the same day. NWA kept their pensions, frozen as of that day.

Beagle Pilot

If one of the other unions filed, all contracts would be reviewed in BK court regardless of when they were inked.
The bankruptcy code changed in 2005, but corporations could never just dump contracts whether union or vendor. The new laws made it more difficult for companies to dump debt or operate under bankruptcy protection without a financially sustainable business plan. No more having an airline go bankrupt and then charge less than cost for tickets driving everyone else towards bankruptcy. No more just leaving vendors or lessors penniless. A bankrupt company must be able to prove it can become financially solvent with a good business plan or it will be broken up. This is why ATA, in part, was dissolved.

As long as AMR could prove they had a viable business model and could survive to provide investors a good return on their money after a revision of certain contracts and other obligations, then they'd be able to emerge from bankruptcy court.

NERD

Spoken like a commuter lifer or management stooge. AA and any other airline are not being prevented from buying as many 70-76 seat aircraft that they want. They just can't outsource unlimited numbers to subcontractors. I think there is a much better chance of APA agreeing to some form of B scale(pay and work rules) for 70-100 seat jets then there is for capitulation on scope. I think there is a much better chance of subcontractors losing flying and shrinking as the REAL airline employees accept a lower standard for that flying. The mainline employees have given more than enough and are done. As far as coming to their senses and selling out, I think you are sadly mistaken. If AA trys ch 11 to rid themselves of scope AA will eventually end up ch7. No one wins then. Thinking outside the box, you could possibly see a compass type of scenario with flow up and down for AA pilots.

newarkblows

I agree. I think major unions need to re-capture scope by accepting another B scale type pay arrangement for all "regional" jets. No one wants a career at a regional but regional pay on a legacy seniority list is a lot better than starting over at the bottom every 10 yrs. The B scale can eventually be negotiated up but we need to salvage some type of career now. just my 2 cents

eaglefly

Fantasy and cluelessness..............ah, what friends they make.

Obviously you demonstrate a lot of emotion here when you include nicely folded insults like "commuter lifer", "management stooge" and "REAL airline employees", which only mangles your credibility further.

If AA could be competititive flying RJ's at mainline, they'd have done it by now. An RJ "b-scale" doesn't work as AMR knows that once mainline labor gets control of RJ's they'd have more leverage to jack compensation upward more then the regionals they'd be competing with. I agree that mainline employees have gotten the shaft, but the future is a result of their bargaining agents own carelessness. If you had read my post with more insight and less foaming emotion, you'd have seen that I thought the APA privately capitulating on scope was unlikely, but all that jowl foam must have gotten in the way.

You need to see INSIDE the box (ask the APA what the "box" is...it's a concept that actually exists). BTW, a "flow up/down" scenario was in place at AA/Eagle for the last 13 years until recently and it failed ALL parties so badly, that AMR for sure will want no part of restarting another disaster like it again.

Best of luck on the pitchfork patrol though.

eaglefly

It's a great idea for pilots, but not so good for management.

They make more profit under the current scenario, so why would they want to change it............so pilots can get paid more and have smoother career progression ?