AA to recall soon?
04-09-2010, 05:37 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Beagle Pilot
No more than the hundreds of TWA Captains you displaced to the right seat and then to the street along with every TWA First Officer. Why do you think those 27 deserve special treatment over 2800 Eagle pilots and 2200 TWA pilots?
04-09-2010, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Actaully, 125 from AE got a job at AA and almost 500 at AA got a job at Eagle. Now another 250 at AE will get to AA within 1-3 years (35 this summer) and then maybe 1000 at AE will get jobs at the bottom of AA hurting no one.
AE pilots are almost batting .500 with AA pilots..................almost.
As for treatment, 90-95% of AE pilots didn't treat AA flowbacks poorly and I suspect the same percentage of AA pilots will also treat FT's with respect, you being a possible exception.
AE pilots are almost batting .500 with AA pilots..................almost.
As for treatment, 90-95% of AE pilots didn't treat AA flowbacks poorly and I suspect the same percentage of AA pilots will also treat FT's with respect, you being a possible exception.
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04-09-2010, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmak2
Fewer than 20% will go in the end so it's really just a moot point
04-09-2010, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AceOnTheRiver
Considering that most of those FB's got a raise when they flew at Eagle I would say they made out pretty well. As far as treated poorly, that was a misconception because Eagle never used train to proficiently like AA and it was tough for some of the FB's to make it through training since they went from FE/FO at AA to instant Captain at a somewhat different airline. I still laugh at the brilliant idea APA had when they decide they wanted the FAA to sit in on the type rides. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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04-09-2010, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Hopefully you aren't taking these message boards to seriously, as I would otherwise easily consider you and many others AA hater.
Originally Posted by AAflyer
400+/- get a job for a few years and treated poorly in the process, 800+/- get a job for the remainder of their career if they want it. Pretty expensive bill.
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Well, there is a name running on our union website now that is a potential candidate to come over here. He apparently screwed over a few guys in the sim, ex-TWA guys.
04-09-2010, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Beagle Pilot
Treated poorly? How so? Because they were held to the same standards as every other Eagle pilot? Because they had to suffer under the same crappy schedules and reserve system as every other Eagle pilot? Because they were given a choice of being furloughed or given one of the best seats in the house at Eagle? Please explain why you think 500 AA pilots were so poorly treated at American Eagle.
Once you are done, let's begin comparing how the TWA pilots were treated by you and your brethren at the Allied Pilots Association in order to understand what you believe is fair and equitable treatment of fellow professional pilots.
Once you are done, let's begin comparing how the TWA pilots were treated by you and your brethren at the Allied Pilots Association in order to understand what you believe is fair and equitable treatment of fellow professional pilots.
I "THINK" poor treatment has to do with;
1. A captain new on the airplane asking an FO question about an airport he had not flown into. The response being, It is not my responsibility to baby sit.
2. Being called SCABS (especially on these type of boards) for "taking" their jobs.
3. Being toyed with in sims ( I am not talking about the difference in training to proficiency and Eagle's standards).
As for example 1, these are the types of stories I heard from our flow-backs.
My personally experience was sitting on a jumpseat and talking with the crew, when the FO looked at me and said, are you getting furloughed soon, and if so are you flowing back. My response was no, I am not, and no I probably would not flow back anyway.
His response, good we don't F*&*Ting want you anyway.
Eagle fly was right, it was probably isolated to 10-20% of the pilots. However on our union message board when flow backs bring up their time, many (not all) have told stories of poor treatment be fellow employees.
IN the end, it is what it.
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