Zoomie

Who says UA/CAL joint contract ever makes it to an arbitrator.

Either the combined company gives the pilots back it's concessions or they get a really ****ed off labor group for their NEW and IMPROVED United.

Management has to pay to play and relaxing scope at all is a NO DEAL.

syd111

Not sure about the sarcasm but if you wanted to retire investing in some airlines the last 18 months would certainly help you get there. uaua, dal, cal and luv have been great investments and great trades if you play that way.

Beagle Pilot

Not me, but that is the usual resolution when both sides of a negotiation refuse to budge off their position.
Are you assuming the combined company will be able to jam a contract down their throat?

Please don't take offense, but both these comments cause me to wonder how old you are and how long you've been a union airline pilot. Pilot for either UAL or CAL? Are you a union volunteer? If not, you might want to become involved since the actions of your union will have a lifetime of impact on your career as a pilot at your airline.

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johnso29

Just to clarify, it's 255 large RJs of which 153 are 76 seats. The rest are 70 seaters which are being converted to 2 class 66 seat config.

SUPERfluf

Mediation is what happens when the pilot group and mgmt can not agree to a contract. Arbitration rarely happens (I think Alaska may have agreed to arbitration sometime recently?) as both parties have to agree and the pilots don't usually go that route.

Released from mediation = self help.

The scope issue is contractually binding, they can't just take it to an arbitrator. The majority of CAL pilots and the CAL MEC were unwilling to budge on 50 seat jet scope during the current contract negotiations. There is no reason to believe that would not continue to a UAL/CAL joint collective bargaining agreement.

Beagle Pilot

True enough under the RLA rules of contract negotiations. I'm not up enough on how this will play with a merger.

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Justdoinmyjob

The same way. Both NC's and management meet and negotiate a Transistion Agreement and new contract. If they can't come to a resolution, it can go to mediation and then self help. Or the company can elect to operate under two contracts until a single contract is negotiated under section six, like LCC, but then what's the point of merging if you do that?

Captain Bligh

Well here's an interesting question. What if one pilot group doesn't want to play ball for what ever reason. The companies have already agreed on merger. Would either pilot group want self help at this point? It would be like stepping on a land mine. All of the tools are already in place to transfer flying from one pilot group to the other.

tsquare

It's deja vu all over again....

SUPERfluf

Both pilot groups have current contract provisions that prevent them from flying "struck work".