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Old 04-30-2010, 10:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 04-30-2010, 11:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Its soooooooooooo obvious; with United's 200 widebodies on property, plus an order for 25 787's with options for an additional 50 787's and Continental's 100 widebodies and all their new 737s, we will not only take over the world but a new bid is opening for the Mars sub-orbit route.

With sub-market wages, the combined entity will make enough profit to pay for national health-care.

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With no route overlap, the industry will not be able to compete. It will once again remind me of when I got hired at United in 1999 with Captain bids going to guys with 3 years on property
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It will once again remind me of when I got hired at United in 1999 with Captain bids going to guys with 3 years on property
WOW. Can I have some of what you're drinking?? I sure hope you are right. That sure would be nice.
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It's a little sad living in Houston and having to watch the hometown name go away. I'm a little surprised CAL is doing it, they seemed to be weathering the storm pretty well, I hope Tilton doesn't change too much with the operation. Best of luck guys!
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With no route overlap, the industry will not be able to compete. It will once again remind me of when I got hired at United in 1999 with Captain bids going to guys with 3 years on property
There is about 15% overlap that could be cut meaning about 1500 pilot jobs lost (plus the 1500 already on the street), but you can keep dreaming. See you in the unemployment line.
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First off, just because there is route overlap does not mean that capacity will be eliminated. There are revenue passengers occupying those seats today on both airlines at an average of about 80% load factor. Maybe if there were 10 flights a day, they might cut it to 9 to boost load factor to 90%... but I don't even see that happening.


How many pilots got laid off after Delta and Northwest merged? And that was right before the the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression. United and Continental are about to merge right before an upswing in the economy...

I have to admit that I'm pretty jealous. I sure wish I was a UAL or CAL pilot right now. The future is looking up for you guys.
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Are many of the overlap cities Connection? If so you may have your answer right there.
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It's a little sad living in Houston and having to watch the hometown name go away. I'm a little surprised CAL is doing it, they seemed to be weathering the storm pretty well, I hope Tilton doesn't change too much with the operation. Best of luck guys!
This is all about controlling capacity in the domestic and international markets. As sad as it may make you and me to watch the CAL name go away, long term it will be good for both companies and both pilot groups. That being said anyone with aspirations of going to CAL should be ready to wait, it will probably be awhile (5+ years).

At least Jeff Smisek will be calling the shots and not Tilton. There might be some light at the end of the tunnel. Best of luck to all my good friends at CAL, and all the good folks at UA, interesting times ahead.
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Delta and Northwest cut lots of overlap, it just happned to be RJ's so there were no mainline furloughs. I'd be a little worried if I were working for one of the rj operators. UAL and CAL also did alot of mainline cutting in 2008 right after they didn't merge that time. I'd imagine they looked and said, "hey if we merge we don't need all this stuff." Then they thought about cutting that while fighting with unions and said let's not merge until 2010 and we can just cut all that stuff easier." I doubt you will see enough cuts at the mainline level to furlough more guys. Just my uneducated opinion after going through the DAL/NWA merger. Hopefully this goes good because I know a bunch of good guys at both airlines.
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Hey only about 36,462 posts to go until you catch the Delta thread, which has become so dull we are discussing how they figure out our pay for each check while a couple guys fight about MEC stuff.
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