Delta Pilots Association
10-24-2014, 12:08 PM
#9491
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
No way. CAPA hamstrung the system by demanding that a separate and extremely expensive biometric system be put in place. Brake chatter might be able to speak on that more. ALPA (Moak) put in place an separate but similar system using CASS as one of his campaign promises. He had that done within months of him saying he would do it. It's an ALPA registered trademark. If there's one thing Moak said he would do and get done faster than the previous guys, who took 10 years to have a test in Baltimore, then KCM is something I use everyday and consider a job well done.
Carl
10-24-2014, 12:18 PM
#9492
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Reroute
Get a different talking point.
KCM webpage:
“The KCM program was developed by Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), with approval and support of the TSA.”
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KCM webpage:
“The KCM program was developed by Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), with approval and support of the TSA.”
Home
Carl
10-24-2014, 12:24 PM
#9493
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,785
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Since your whole goal is to get the moderators to close this thread like you've successfully done on 21 other threads
More complete and utter BS. I have had one post pulled for political content. Much like the rest of your unsubstantiated assertions you seem to simply make stuff up.
Any moderator feel free to chime in and confirm this.
10-24-2014, 01:00 PM
#9495
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 273
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I understand that's the ALPA talking point, but it happens to be false. ALPA had a role later in the game and that has to be acknowledged. But to ignore the hard work done by IPA and CAPA, then claim all the credit for yourself is typical of ALPA's dishonorable methods.
Carl
Carl
In conjunction with the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l, TSA tested a sterile area access system called CrewPASS in 2008 and 2009. In June 2009, TSA announced Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS) would continue to operate at the test sites: Baltimore-Washington Thurgood Marshall International, Pittsburgh International, and Columbia (S.C.) Metropolitan airports.
CAPA's long-standing goal has been to both encourage and facilitate the implementation and standardization of high-level authentication methods to positively verify the identity of all individuals who are authorized flight deck access on both passenger and all-cargo carriers.
Currently, airline pilots are screened over 2,000,000 times each month by the TSA. The “Implementation of the Recommendations to the 9/11 Commission Act of Aug. 2007”, provided legislative momentum with mandates to properly identify and expedite screening of crewmembers to meet an August 2010 program deadline. CAPA, SWAPA, SWA, Priva, TSA and BWI airport managers initiated “Secure Screen” as a joint 60-day pilot biometric ID test project. The Secure Screen “test” by all accounts from the TSA, vendor, airport managers and pilot participants was highly successful.
This year the Known Crewmember Program headed by the Air Transport Association (ATA) was approved for use by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The earlier addition known as CrewPASS was tested at three east coast airports. This enhanced process adds a level of security above what we have today, but it does not meet the securest standard: a real-time, verifiable biometric process.
We are 100% in support of the Known Crewmember Program which not only raises the security level from its current level, but builds the infrastructure necessary for the addition of the real-time, verifiable biometric process that CAPA seeks. The House Aviation Subcommittee is seeking a requirement for biometrics on pilot's licenses and we believe that working together with the Subcommittee would result in a solution that would provide safer, more secure access to aircraft.
Currently, airline pilots are screened over 2,000,000 times each month by the TSA. The “Implementation of the Recommendations to the 9/11 Commission Act of Aug. 2007”, provided legislative momentum with mandates to properly identify and expedite screening of crewmembers to meet an August 2010 program deadline. CAPA, SWAPA, SWA, Priva, TSA and BWI airport managers initiated “Secure Screen” as a joint 60-day pilot biometric ID test project. The Secure Screen “test” by all accounts from the TSA, vendor, airport managers and pilot participants was highly successful.
This year the Known Crewmember Program headed by the Air Transport Association (ATA) was approved for use by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The earlier addition known as CrewPASS was tested at three east coast airports. This enhanced process adds a level of security above what we have today, but it does not meet the securest standard: a real-time, verifiable biometric process.
We are 100% in support of the Known Crewmember Program which not only raises the security level from its current level, but builds the infrastructure necessary for the addition of the real-time, verifiable biometric process that CAPA seeks. The House Aviation Subcommittee is seeking a requirement for biometrics on pilot's licenses and we believe that working together with the Subcommittee would result in a solution that would provide safer, more secure access to aircraft.
10-24-2014, 01:29 PM
#9496
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Again Alan, you're entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. Any more back and forth with you on this is just more moot court.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You initially tried to portray yourself as an honest broker just looking for facts, but most see you now as someone who's job here is to defend ALPA to your last breath.
10-24-2014, 02:26 PM
#9497
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: 7ER
Posts: 91
Originally Posted by Check Essential
I wouldn't be too smug.
DPA failed because Caplinger had poor judgment and suspect motives and wouldn't step aside.
Otherwise ALPA might be history right now.
DPA failed because Caplinger had poor judgment and suspect motives and wouldn't step aside.
Otherwise ALPA might be history right now.
I agree 100%!
11-09-2014, 12:56 PM
#9498
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 273
Jerry or other DPA Update authors,
Please know that I can read and understand English. I've already read on the "other" website that the FPL myth has been debunked as a key stroke entry error by Delta and that the pilot will not get paid anywheres close to that amount.
I've now had time to read all the PDF files you attached and the attachment from UAL ALPA says they were specifically asked to do extra flying as they are in a competing airline alliance. It's almost like you didn't read the files you posted.
Can anyone explain how picking on a pilot for a clerical error in PBS is how DPA should support me? Is DPA going to "expose" the names of any pilot who has an error made, whether real or imagined? With all this drama and intrigue, this is starting to sound like Tanksley all over again.
I also think that pressuring new hires on probation to sign DPA cards is going too far. K?
Please know that I can read and understand English. I've already read on the "other" website that the FPL myth has been debunked as a key stroke entry error by Delta and that the pilot will not get paid anywheres close to that amount.
I've now had time to read all the PDF files you attached and the attachment from UAL ALPA says they were specifically asked to do extra flying as they are in a competing airline alliance. It's almost like you didn't read the files you posted.
Can anyone explain how picking on a pilot for a clerical error in PBS is how DPA should support me? Is DPA going to "expose" the names of any pilot who has an error made, whether real or imagined? With all this drama and intrigue, this is starting to sound like Tanksley all over again.
I also think that pressuring new hires on probation to sign DPA cards is going too far. K?
11-09-2014, 01:06 PM
#9499
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,724
Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
Jerry or other DPA Update authors,
Please know that I can read and understand English. I've already read on the "other" website that the FPL myth has been debunked as a key stroke entry error by Delta and that the pilot will not get paid anywheres close to that amount.
I've now had time to read all the PDF files you attached and the attachment from UAL ALPA says they were specifically asked to do extra flying as they are in a competing airline alliance. It's almost like you didn't read the files you posted.
Can anyone explain how picking on a pilot for a clerical error in PBS is how DPA should support me? Is DPA going to "expose" the names of any pilot who has an error made, whether real or imagined? With all this drama and intrigue, this is starting to sound like Tanksley all over again.
I also think that pressuring new hires on probation to sign DPA cards is going too far. K?
Please know that I can read and understand English. I've already read on the "other" website that the FPL myth has been debunked as a key stroke entry error by Delta and that the pilot will not get paid anywheres close to that amount.
I've now had time to read all the PDF files you attached and the attachment from UAL ALPA says they were specifically asked to do extra flying as they are in a competing airline alliance. It's almost like you didn't read the files you posted.
Can anyone explain how picking on a pilot for a clerical error in PBS is how DPA should support me? Is DPA going to "expose" the names of any pilot who has an error made, whether real or imagined? With all this drama and intrigue, this is starting to sound like Tanksley all over again.
I also think that pressuring new hires on probation to sign DPA cards is going too far. K?
11-09-2014, 02:24 PM
#9500
Flies With The Hat On
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
Delta Pilots Association
ALPA has a huge conflict of interest with regional airlines. DALPA and UALPA don't sign their own CBAs. National does, and national can't sign insourcing CBAs that damage regional airlines otherwise it may face DFR liability.
Look at how successful APA is as a union! Take control of your representation! Vote in DPA!
Look at how successful APA is as a union! Take control of your representation! Vote in DPA!
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