American Airlines Pilots Revolt Against TSA
11-06-2010, 04:41 PM
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Has anyone seen a TSA agent go through one of these? I'm more concerned that one of them would plant something on the aircraft than us pilots. Their background checks are a joke and they are more able to be influenced, due to the fact that they are not actually taking the flight, by outsiders. They have access to planes, even when nobody else is there. Anybody else recall when they decided that pitot tubes were a step to get on American Eagle A/C?
Kudos to the American union and Southwest for taking at least some sort of stand on this issue. WHERE IS ALPA'S RESPONSE? There is none. The lack of leadership and to take on the tough issues is why they lost so many members. Sad that it took an independant union to make these statements rather than the worlds largest.
Edit... I found ALPA's response. It can be found on their website without logging in.
ALPA Statement on Airline Passenger Security Screening
October 22, 2010 - The Air Line Pilots Association Int’l. (ALPA) fully supports effective airline passenger security screening. In fact, ALPA played a key role in influencing the federal government to mandate passenger screening in the early 1970s.
Recently, the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) as a security screening tool has raised privacy and other concerns in North America and around the world. ALPA acknowledges the reservations and concerns that some have expressed about the use of AIT. Countering these issues, however, is the fact that AIT can provide a significantly greater level of security than do walk-through metal detectors to keep improvised explosive devices and other threat objects off of airline aircraft.
Looking to the future, ALPA is advocating for the development of a trust-based security system that will focus on determining whether an individual possesses hostile intent using threat-object detection technology as a supplement to the screening process. Once implemented, this system will help reduce the need for use of invasive screening methods for the vast majority of the traveling public.
Responding to a Congressional mandate, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has already endorsed one component of a threat-based security system by approving implementation of the ALPA-conceived Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS, a dedicated security screening process for flight crewmembers, validates the identity and confirms the employment status of crewmembers in real time. ALPA has obtained the required approval from TSA for nationwide CrewPASS implementation; the Association is urging each carrier to make this system available for use of their flight crewmembers.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org.
Just glad Pratter was voted out. Has anyone heard what Moak's views are?
Kudos to the American union and Southwest for taking at least some sort of stand on this issue. WHERE IS ALPA'S RESPONSE? There is none. The lack of leadership and to take on the tough issues is why they lost so many members. Sad that it took an independant union to make these statements rather than the worlds largest.
Edit... I found ALPA's response. It can be found on their website without logging in.
ALPA Statement on Airline Passenger Security Screening
October 22, 2010 - The Air Line Pilots Association Int’l. (ALPA) fully supports effective airline passenger security screening. In fact, ALPA played a key role in influencing the federal government to mandate passenger screening in the early 1970s.
Recently, the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) as a security screening tool has raised privacy and other concerns in North America and around the world. ALPA acknowledges the reservations and concerns that some have expressed about the use of AIT. Countering these issues, however, is the fact that AIT can provide a significantly greater level of security than do walk-through metal detectors to keep improvised explosive devices and other threat objects off of airline aircraft.
Looking to the future, ALPA is advocating for the development of a trust-based security system that will focus on determining whether an individual possesses hostile intent using threat-object detection technology as a supplement to the screening process. Once implemented, this system will help reduce the need for use of invasive screening methods for the vast majority of the traveling public.
Responding to a Congressional mandate, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has already endorsed one component of a threat-based security system by approving implementation of the ALPA-conceived Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS, a dedicated security screening process for flight crewmembers, validates the identity and confirms the employment status of crewmembers in real time. ALPA has obtained the required approval from TSA for nationwide CrewPASS implementation; the Association is urging each carrier to make this system available for use of their flight crewmembers.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org.
Just glad Pratter was voted out. Has anyone heard what Moak's views are?
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11-06-2010, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
That simply doesn't happen. I have never seen anyone airport worker set off security alarms and just keep walking. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and your far fetched and invalid points don't hold any water.
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11-06-2010, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
I don't know where folks are getting the idea that its easy to get a fake airline id. Sure, you can pick up a uniform from sporty's. I don't know about your id, but mine has all sorts of crap (some visable, some not) that would make it very difficult to duplicate.
Also, make sure your reading the whole letter from APA. They reccomend avoiding the scanner, but they also publicly state that continuing to put crew through the sames hoops as the pax is stupid, and that an inavsive pat down is demeaning and is that is not appropriate that passengers see us subject to it.
Personally, I think this calls for a change in uniform. We should all now report to work in flip flops, thongs, ties, and of course, hats. Overcoats will be optional for the northern climes.
Also, make sure your reading the whole letter from APA. They reccomend avoiding the scanner, but they also publicly state that continuing to put crew through the sames hoops as the pax is stupid, and that an inavsive pat down is demeaning and is that is not appropriate that passengers see us subject to it.
Personally, I think this calls for a change in uniform. We should all now report to work in flip flops, thongs, ties, and of course, hats. Overcoats will be optional for the northern climes.
mmmmm. hurts so good....come on baby make it hurt so good....
11-06-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Look dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You're either not an airline pilot or you're not very observant. Wise up!
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11-06-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
He didn't say TSA workers, he genericly mentioned "airport workers".
Originally Posted by Delta1067
If you are based at a SIDA bypass airport than you as a pilot can participate in that bypass,
Originally Posted by Delta1067
otherwise do your job and act professional and go thru security.
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11-06-2010, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Name 1 airport where "airport workers" can simply walk thru security and set off the alarm and then just keep on walking. It doesn't happen. TSA workers, yes, anyone else, NO!! ....Dude !!
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11-06-2010, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I won't do so on a public forum Einstein. You'll see it for yourself if you open your eyes.
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11-06-2010, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
What a stupid argument you are making. I have never seen it and I never will. When someone seats off the alarm they go back thru and try it again. It does not work the way you claim it it does. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but we all know that "airport workers" can't simply set off the TSA checkpoint alarm and just keep on trucking. I'm done replying to your loonacy.
Have a good evening Einstein.
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11-07-2010, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
What a stupid argument you are making. I have never seen it and I never will. When someone seats off the alarm they go back thru and try it again. It does not work the way you claim it it does. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but we all know that "airport workers" can't simply set off the TSA checkpoint alarm and just keep on trucking. I'm done replying to your loonacy.
Does anyone know if ATL is still a SIDA bypass airport? I know you can park at employee lots and get dropped off at the spine, but I saw an ASA pilot in the crew line with me the other day. Last time (in 05) that I was based in ATL and had a SIDA badge we could go through one of the cheese cutters in the terminals. This was before the pin pad too. I see a lot of DAL guys in the crew line in ATL as well, so I assume they did away with the bypass?
11-07-2010, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by IrishTiger
I agree... I have NEVER seen anyone walk through and set off the alarms and keep going except TSA themselves. EVER.
Does anyone know if ATL is still a SIDA bypass airport? I know you can park at employee lots and get dropped off at the spine, but I saw an ASA pilot in the crew line with me the other day. Last time (in 05) that I was based in ATL and had a SIDA badge we could go through one of the cheese cutters in the terminals. This was before the pin pad too. I see a lot of DAL guys in the crew line in ATL as well, so I assume they did away with the bypass?
Does anyone know if ATL is still a SIDA bypass airport? I know you can park at employee lots and get dropped off at the spine, but I saw an ASA pilot in the crew line with me the other day. Last time (in 05) that I was based in ATL and had a SIDA badge we could go through one of the cheese cutters in the terminals. This was before the pin pad too. I see a lot of DAL guys in the crew line in ATL as well, so I assume they did away with the bypass?
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