That's so incredibly negative, and so incorrect, it's almost laughable! How the hell do you come up with that spin?
Talk about BS, yea, I'm raising the BS flag on that one!
I wouldn't call that negative at all. This is reality. While a nice job JetBlue is not a career. Upgrades, benefits, retirement, disability, schedule, contracts. These qualities make a career and unfortunately JetBlue has little to none. It's truly unfortunate as the people you work with are great but the company itself lacks much of what they preach. Hopefully we'll be bought out and have some opportunity to retain our jobs.
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That calculator is an eye opening tool to dissuade pilots from applying here. There is no career advancement period and there is not better truth than reality. If you are hired today you will, most likely, never be a captain. You will be lucky to be a senior FO. Unless you need 121 or "heavy" time you are better off staying at your current carrier and waiting for a major. It's amazing how few retirements bluejet truly has.
So incorrect indeed! I was hired last year, and will be halfway up the seniority list by 2031! So laughable!
/sarcasm
When it comes down to it I dont expect to be at jetblue in 2031. I will actively apply to legacy airlines that have more progression when they open the hiring windows. If we get bought/sold then I will roll with the punches. Jetblue is a great place to be for a few years, but just be aware of the career progression realities.
This is precisely why there will be movement at JB. Instead of most people leaving due to retirements, people will leave to go to a legacy airline. That will drive hiring, and to some extent, upgrades. The top 10% - 25% may not leave, but everyone below that under the age of 45 will contemplate it.
I really enjoy my job here but with 5 years seniority and 35 years old I'm seriously researching whether it is my best long-term career option.
My stats for potential newbies to see: 5 years on property, seniority 1700-ish of 2330; it will be 2021 before I make it to 1600, and 2031 before I crack the top 1000. I can almost hold Embraer captain now were there any upgrades (there are zero upgrades or open FO vacancies on the newest system bid, FYI). Holding Embraer CA now would doom me to years of reserve joy versus my current spot of 40-ish percent 320 FO in Boston, so no thanks. Food for thought.
If you plan on staying bid what you want. If you decide to leave I'd recommend building your resume. JB Captain is more impressive on your resume.
Guy posted the retirement data for the major carriers on apc. If you got hired early in the hiring spree you can compare where you fit into other carriers seniority lists -
Fourth chart down shows you percentages. The numbers you provided would put you at the 40% mark in 2031. Most of the majors will retire 60% of their guys by 2023-2028.
Starting over is tough but there's a risk - reward. Good luck.
This is, of course, assuming one WANTS to upgrade. Personally, I'd rather just be able to hold the MCO base and be based at home again.
Now, I do agree there needs to be improvements in health care, 401k, etc, etc. I'd also like to see some sort of enforceable scope language in the event of a merger/acquisition. However, I don't NEED to be a captain for my career to be complete. I'd rather have better quality of life.
I can understand the frustration of many here due to the slow growth. But this holds true throughout the industry. Look at American, Delta or even Southwest (youngest Captain July 2001 according to APC) long upgrades are the norm at present. But the situation is fluid and changing. I arrived early and have benefited from that. For me JetBlue is a career, but when I first started I was not thinking in those terms.
I wouldn't call that negative at all. This is reality. While a nice job JetBlue is not a career. Upgrades, benefits, retirement, disability, schedule, contracts. These qualities make a career and unfortunately JetBlue has little to none. It's truly unfortunate as the people you work with are great but the company itself lacks much of what they preach. Hopefully we'll be bought out and have some opportunity to retain our jobs.
Why dont you just start a blog with all of your personal opinions? as far as JB not being a career..,.Where are you going to go or want to go?
I can understand the frustration of many here due to the slow growth. But this holds true throughout the industry. Look at American, Delta or even Southwest (youngest Captain July 2001 according to APC) long upgrades are the norm at present. But the situation is fluid and changing. I arrived early and have benefited from that. For me JetBlue is a career, but when I first started I was not thinking in those terms.
JetBlue is a career. . It's also a great job and place to work! It's as much a career as many other airlines. Sure that could change. Just like it did sadly at Pan AM, Eastern, Braniff.
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