WHACKMASTER

Here's what I feel "fair" wages would be at a MAJOR airline considering the incredible responsibility and amount of training it took to get there:

Annual Salary at max longevity:

Narrowbody Cptn: $250K
Narrowbody F/O: $170K

Widebody Cptn: $350K
Widebody F/O: $230K

You know........kind of what DLA and UAL used to have. I feel that those contracts compensated airline pilots appropriately.

Radials Rule

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tsquare

Fixed your post

Reroute

I don't think he lives or works in the US.

The RLA is in real need of reform as are our bankruptcy codes, particularly the 1113c.

The RLA has been used in recent years not so much as a method of resolving major disputes, but rather a tool to prolong negotiations for years after a contract amendable date.

The 1113c process in bankruptcy, which was originally intended to prevent arbitrary airline contract rejection by management, has morphed into a tool to reject contracts and then through the RLA prevent strikes after a contract is rejected.

Prior to the 1113c process, management could reject a contract and workers could strike. Today, the 1113c allows management to reject a contract with a minimum of effort and then the RLA kicks in to prevent a strike. In essence, airline employees are stripped of their RLA protections through the 1113c process while management maintains their RLA protections to prevent strikes.

Flyby1206

We as pilots want the RLA to change, but I guarantee management likes things just the way they are. They have the money/power to change it, but no motivation to do so.

Carl Spackler

Yes, but we have ALPA. And their seat at the table.

Carl

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Reroute

I disagree, we do have the power to change it, but lack the grassroots drive to do so.

Too few professional pilots are getting involved in the political fight to reform our antiquated labor laws and one sided bankruptcy code.

Too many rationalize their apathy and take a smug or cynical attitude towards those who are trying to make a difference.

Too few professional pilots hold their elected legislators accountable for their votes on labor issues.

Too many professional pilots only see the labor movement through their own narrow interests and don't understand that without support for a robust national labor movement we will all eventually be picked off piecemeal.

If pilots wanted to make a real difference today they'd joined a political action committee like ALPA-PAC and encourage others to do so also. At the end of the day we are reaping today what our political apathy and cynicism has earned us.

Carl Spackler

Give money to a PAC that actually has this on their agenda. ALPA's PAC has been funded strongly by its members for many decades now. Reforming the RLA and the NMB is not even mentioned in anything I read from ALPA or the ALPA PAC. If I've missed it, I trust you'll show me.

No, we ALPA pilots are reaping the results of giving our money to a PAC that does not have reforming the RLA or the NMB on their agenda. The only cynics are the apologists like yourself that advocate giving money to the ALPA PAC which is only interested in re-electing far left politicians. How's that working out for us?

Carl

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Reroute

13% of ALPA pilots contribute to the PAC, I guess in your universe that constitutes strong support.

You are your own worse enemy Carl.

Elvis90

Regarding the original focus of this thread, I can tell you factually that the Air Force spends over $1 million on each pilot training graduate. That does not include follow-on training in a major weapon system such as a B-1B, F-15 or C-17. That's one reason the Air Force doesn't produce as many pilots as they use to say 20 years ago or so. I used to work at the Pentagon and would generate these numbers for generals & Congressional staffers for planning purposes.