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Old 04-20-2012, 04:05 PM
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Seems like a well orchestrated chess game. AA&US management were in bed all along. US/DL LGA/DCA slot swap (DOJ would have never approved the deal with AA @ JFK and US @ LGA), US becoming an insignificant member of STAR, both AA & US dragging their feet w/ negotiations, AA's bankruptcy and AA's offer to APA (knowing well that APA would never accept).

If US would have come out and asked for a merger-the unions would have cried bloody murder. But let AA offer them a crappy contract and they'll go running to US.

The APA letter makes the US management look like a knight in shinning armor, but ignore their treatment of their own pilot groups. IMHO US&TWA guys are gonna get the short end of the stick on this deal ... again.

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I wonder if maybe this is a little too clever? All of it assumes AMR sits on their hands, and the judge does very little.

One article raised the question of a conflict of interest between serving on the cerditor's committee, and having a deal with a third party. An interesting thought.
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew View Post
The same can happen to the WEST boyz.....
Probably not...if a merger ever happens, the Nic is the legal precedent on the US side, USAPA will be DOA, and the APA will be the collective bargaining agent.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8 View Post
Probably not...if a merger ever happens, the Nic is the legal precedent on the US side, USAPA will be DOA, and the APA will be the collective bargaining agent.
Wait a minute---what if Nicolau is null-and-void since never implimented, and a new agreement between HP-US-AA is reached? Isn't that a possibility?
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER View Post
Wait a minute---what if Nicolau is null-and-void since never implimented, and a new agreement between HP-US-AA is reached? Isn't that a possibility?
Likely not considering that was done through binding arbitration.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER View Post
Wait a minute---what if Nicolau is null-and-void since never implimented, and a new agreement between HP-US-AA is reached? Isn't that a possibility?
No. APA will take over and when it does it inherits all previous agreements including the Nic.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
No. APA will take over and when it does it inherits all previous agreements including the Nic.
I don't believe that's correct. I believe that question will be up to a court to determine. Please post the relevant portions of case law or the Nic award itself that precludes a court from deciding this issue of a non-implemented seniority list.

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Old 04-23-2012, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
I don't believe that's correct. I believe that question will be up to a court to determine. Please post the relevant portions of case law or the Nic award itself that precludes a court from deciding this issue of a non-implemented seniority list.

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Carl, usairways in court says the nicolau award was inherited by usapa just like all other contract provisions. What part of a successor union inherits all agreements under the rla don't you understand?
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Carl, usairways in court says the nicolau award was inherited by usapa just like all other contract provisions. What part of a successor union inherits all agreements under the rla don't you understand?
The question of "inherit" will almost certainly be litigated as there is no prior law on this very unusual circumstance. Until it's adjudicated, probably best to stay clear of the predictions as to what will happen.

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