I think mainline will grow, but I also think that the ratio limits on DCI won't be complied with.
Well then the next question to you is "Do you think DALPA will grieve it and force the Company to comply?"
I would submit that, if you don't think DALPA would then what is the point of having a contract? In my mind, the ratio is the key to the scope clause and if DALPA won't protect that, they won't protect anything in the contract so why have one!?!
That's a pretty cynical attitude for one so young!
Snapshot June 2012. 11998 mainline pilots/714 mainline aircraft (closest numbers I could find).
June 2015...both those numbers a lot bigger.
Will open the time capsule then and hope it happens. I am skeptical and I probably won't ever have to worry about booking a jumpseat for my commute or bidding MSO layovers for fly fishing since the jumbo RJ's will be all over that. Hope I'm wrong.
qball,
Thanks for the snapshot!! I think it will be interesting to dredge this thread up in say June of 2015 and see what actually happens. I will be the first one to say "You guys tried to convince me and I just couldn't see the light!" if our seniority list is not the same size/bigger than post merger.
So, you think we should have just waited for years to get these improvements? Pay wise we would have had to ask for a 28% raise DOS in a couple years to try to make up for waiting on this TA. That wouldn't have happened. The NMB would make sure of that. Look, I'm sorry if this hurts Comair, but this TA was a good deal.
I will. Wll not sell until I can get it too.Nwilling to wait to get the right deal
Maybe you guys understood the premise, maybe you didn't. Most people wanted the pay raise, and waiting a couple years like you two wanted (Boomer from the outside), really isn't in the cards. It was a good deal for most of the pilot group, and the short duration will serve us well for the next opener. If something else comes up before then, maybe it will be improved even more. Adding to the contract with short duration contracts is the way to go. It will be very hard to get a 25% raise DOS for a leading contract in the future. (some may get close to that behind us thanks to us)
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Maybe you guys understood the premise, maybe you didn't. Most people wanted the pay raise, and waiting a couple years like you two wanted (Boomer from the outside), really isn't in the cards. It was a good deal for most of the pilot group, and the short duration will serve us well for the next opener. If something else comes up before then, maybe it will be improved even more. Adding to the contract with short duration contracts is the way to go. It will be very hard to get a 25% raise DOS for a leading contract in the future. (some may get close to that behind us thanks to us)
Please stop patting yourself on the back. The Delta pilots sold scope again. Delta has and will always be the leader in outsourcing.
Well then the next question to you is "Do you think DALPA will grieve it and force the Company to comply?"
I would submit that, if you don't think DALPA would then what is the point of having a contract? In my mind, the ratio is the key to the scope clause and if DALPA won't protect that, they won't protect anything in the contract so why have one!?!
That's a pretty cynical attitude for one so young!
Denny
Denny It seems to those of us that are newly initiated,,ie the last 2 1/2 years that DALPA never grieves anything.....And so that does very much reask the retorical question you pose in the above post...We need a lawyer of the caliber of Denny Crane! And the will to use him...
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Maybe you guys understood the premise, maybe you didn't. Most people wanted the pay raise, and waiting a couple years like you two wanted (Boomer from the outside), really isn't in the cards. It was a good deal for most of the pilot group, and the short duration will serve us well for the next opener. If something else comes up before then, maybe it will be improved even more. Adding to the contract with short duration contracts is the way to go. It will be very hard to get a 25% raise DOS for a leading contract in the future. (some may get close to that behind us thanks to us)
I will agree the three year duration is one of the items I liked.
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