Age 67
08-16-2012, 02:00 PM
#31
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We need quality replacements coming up, not declining pilots gumming up progress. Delaying the inevitable does not improve the situation.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
08-16-2012, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
We need quality replacements coming up, not declining pilots gumming up progress. Delaying the inevitable does not improve the situation.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
08-16-2012, 02:22 PM
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Perhaps the honorable thing would be to level out at 65 for a while, and have some data on pilots flying from 60-65, and see the airlines start replacing retirements. Then we can have a fact-based debate on what needs a second look and whether we're better off keeping 65 + guys around to kick the can down the road two more years.
Anything before that point looks like a self-serving and slightly pathetic seat grab. Seat clutch, actually.
Anything before that point looks like a self-serving and slightly pathetic seat grab. Seat clutch, actually.
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08-16-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Perhaps the honorable thing would be to level out at 65 for a while, and have some data on pilots flying from 60-65, and see the airlines start replacing retirements. Then we can have a fact-based debate on what needs a second look and whether we're better off keeping 65 + guys around to kick the can down the road two more years.
Anything before that point looks like a self-serving and slightly pathetic seat grab. Seat clutch, actually.
Anything before that point looks like a self-serving and slightly pathetic seat grab. Seat clutch, actually.
08-16-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
We need quality replacements coming up, not declining pilots gumming up progress. Delaying the inevitable does not improve the situation.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
Meanwhile, declining motor skills, and poor decision-making driven by excessive fear are becoming more and more obvious in some of the post-60 guys. Some not all, but they prove that experience eventually can't match the ravages of age.
Of course, some can fly longer, and everyone has a different threshold for becoming a liability, but the individuals in question don't always know when to quit.
08-16-2012, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Don't know if I agree with this post. The only true sub par performances ( and failures) I have observed in the last few years have all been performed by pilots less than 60. Doesn't mean the over 60 guys are better, it's just what I have observed over a limited data base as are your observations about declining motor skills etc etc.
If so, I can confidently state that I have amazing declining motor skills.
08-16-2012, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
You aren't seeing the trees thru the woods, you must be very young. It won't matter in 5 - 10 years. I am selfish because I don't want it changed now, it will cause stagnation if done in the near future. Once you have that legacy/major job you will want it as well. Not to mention there is going to be a major experience gap 10 years from now that will be when it will be more important to keep the experience in the cockpit.
Justdoinmyjob IS a Legacy pilot. He doesn't want age 67. I am a Legacy pilot too. I didn't want age 65. I sure don't want 67.
08-16-2012, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
Isn't declining motor skills something to do with being able to set the thrust well on an arrival?
If so, I can confidently state that I have amazing declining motor skills.
If so, I can confidently state that I have amazing declining motor skills.
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