US Airways Calls
09-12-2012, 03:00 AM
#21
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Joined APC: May 2005
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Ask the 20 year Comair guys how that worked out for them....
Every major has low first year pay. Most make it back within a couple of years. Risks mean rewards. Someone that got on at SWA 20 years ago versus staying at Air Wisconsin? How about Mesa? Worlds biggest regional a few years ago.
You may be happy living in Bumfk, AR making good coin but when your flying gets outsourced to the next guy who outbid you then your lifestyle will be gone.
Airlines are not for everyone and a lot of corporate guys are happy where they are. But if you are in the airline business then it doesn't make sense to not try to play with the big jets. That's where the money is. The majors control the flying the regionals get. That is the nature of the beast. As a regional you are flying the small routes that are incremental revenue. Gas goes up, small jets get cut because those flights don't make money.
Enjoy your lifestyle at XJT. But don't be surprised when your F/O you are flying with now calls you 5 years from now with his layover stories in Rio or London and he's making more than you are. I have seen it over and over the past 30 years.
Every major has low first year pay. Most make it back within a couple of years. Risks mean rewards. Someone that got on at SWA 20 years ago versus staying at Air Wisconsin? How about Mesa? Worlds biggest regional a few years ago.
You may be happy living in Bumfk, AR making good coin but when your flying gets outsourced to the next guy who outbid you then your lifestyle will be gone.
Airlines are not for everyone and a lot of corporate guys are happy where they are. But if you are in the airline business then it doesn't make sense to not try to play with the big jets. That's where the money is. The majors control the flying the regionals get. That is the nature of the beast. As a regional you are flying the small routes that are incremental revenue. Gas goes up, small jets get cut because those flights don't make money.
Enjoy your lifestyle at XJT. But don't be surprised when your F/O you are flying with now calls you 5 years from now with his layover stories in Rio or London and he's making more than you are. I have seen it over and over the past 30 years.
09-12-2012, 05:33 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
But still one of the best contracts in the industry, prove me wrong! So lets see, biggest regional/major out there with over 7000 pilots including SKY,ASA and XJT 401K's five weeks vacation and well over six figures so where am I going wrong here. See waht you don't understand is the market is changing and your holding on to the past, well i'm here to tell you its over and you have legacy pilots to thank for it. You think the C series and the 190 etc...are being built to just hang in a museum or am I just not seeing the big picture?
But its not about me and I don't need to gloat its just the facts. The ride is over for all of us and you dopes going to USAir just undercut all of us again by proving were willing to sell our souls down the river for hope...give me a break!
But its not about me and I don't need to gloat its just the facts. The ride is over for all of us and you dopes going to USAir just undercut all of us again by proving were willing to sell our souls down the river for hope...give me a break!
I think your fantasies are writing checks reality won't cash in the future.
09-12-2012, 06:18 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
But still one of the best contracts in the industry, prove me wrong! So lets see, biggest regional/major out there with over 7000 pilots including SKY,ASA and XJT 401K's five weeks vacation and well over six figures so where am I going wrong here. See waht you don't understand is the market is changing and your holding on to the past, well i'm here to tell you its over and you have legacy pilots to thank for it. You think the C series and the 190 etc...are being built to just hang in a museum or am I just not seeing the big picture?
But its not about me and I don't need to gloat its just the facts. The ride is over for all of us and you dopes going to USAir just undercut all of us again by proving were willing to sell our souls down the river for hope...give me a break!
But its not about me and I don't need to gloat its just the facts. The ride is over for all of us and you dopes going to USAir just undercut all of us again by proving were willing to sell our souls down the river for hope...give me a break!
As another XJT guy. I think you are misguided. XJT has been a good place for me to work and build the experience required to go to a major. Yeah, I make money and have a decent schedule. But I can't wait to take the pay cut and start working for a real airline that sells its own tickets. I remember 8 years ago sitting in the plane on IOE. The check airman told me we were just a smoke and mirrors company. Coming from the world of a CFI, I had no idea what he meant. Now it is all so clear, and I am ready to move on. You enjoy staying here and thinking about the MRJs... Or whatever RJ.
09-12-2012, 06:34 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by rightside02
3 pages and no one answered if they got a call ??????
09-12-2012, 10:11 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Doing what you do, for less.
Posts: 1,792
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
Well just signed another CPA today with AA at the expense of mainline. I would leave also for 60k first year and 90k second until that offer comes I'm sticking right here, someone forgot to tell them of your plan for the future of this industry. Like i said b4 u guys taking crap paying jibs undercuts us all. So look in the mirror when your a 15 yr capt making 84k at USAir and ask yourself how did i get here?!
wut.........
09-12-2012, 10:27 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Doing what you do, for less.
Posts: 1,792
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
I do get a kick out of you guys defending the worst work rules and contract in the industry. There is no more legacy's with these alliances and what your father/grandfather had in the past is gone mainly because of dreamers willingly selling there souls for hope. Well you will eventually get a good contract but in a few years a labor judge will take it all back. Show me thats that not the new business model and ill give!
Its called the difference between a job and a career. How good the job is versus how good the career is are certainly debatable, but regional airline pilots have jobs. US Airways pilots have careers.
09-12-2012, 11:12 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 106
XJT, speaking of the worst rules. What kind of contract could you be possibly working under at your regional that is better than US/AW contract. You also seem like one of those guys who did apply and got the NO, just bitter about it. Enjoy watching from the sidelines as the rest of your co workers jump ship for a better career elsewhere. Boy.
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