Delta Hiring News
05-12-2014, 06:39 AM
#3791
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
But the high washout rate demonstrates that they are in fact, NOT, Delta pilots..regardless of where their paycheck comes from.
From a strictly HR perspective you are much more likely to get a quality long term employee from a place like endeavor where you can verify their performance as an EMPLOYEE over the last 5-10 years than you are on interviewing someone that you may not have access to their 5-10 year history. Everyone looks like a good employee in an interview, not everyone is a good employee.
Do I think they should just come over with a records check, no. However, if that happens to be the case I don't think that it will make a noticeable difference to the pilot group 20 years down the road.
05-12-2014, 08:29 AM
#3793
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Gloopy,
Why would management do that when the Pinnacle pilots negotiated and ratified that pathetic contract? It passed by a good margin.
The SSP violated our Section 1 D12 & 11. The thing was never negotiated legitimately to begin with under ALPA's Admin Manual. Now that everyone see the mess that was created it could be the politics have changed enough to kill it with fire as we should have done when our MEC first read about this deal with Delta management in the news papers.
Why would management do that when the Pinnacle pilots negotiated and ratified that pathetic contract? It passed by a good margin.
The SSP violated our Section 1 D12 & 11. The thing was never negotiated legitimately to begin with under ALPA's Admin Manual. Now that everyone see the mess that was created it could be the politics have changed enough to kill it with fire as we should have done when our MEC first read about this deal with Delta management in the news papers.
As for how their current contract came about behind the scenes, I agree with you and I don't like it one bit. I support whatever legal means we have to invalidate every [vault] letter of it that could even potentially interfere with our sovereignty WRT DL flying and ALPA procedures in general.
As for any potential political shift, I hope you are right. I'm not hearing a peep about it though.
05-12-2014, 08:32 AM
#3794
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I'd bet that if all of the current pilots on the list were told, "you have to come in to the training center in 6 weeks and pass the current newhire interview process so study up." that less than 50% would pass.
Current DL pilots all passed the tests to get hired, regardless of what we flew in our previous lives. After the CJO, we all did the brain dump and moved on to bigger and better things like "I'm a molecule of air moving thru the pack of the 727". For whatever reason, DL used those tests to filter out candidates that they didn't want. I have no idea what those filters were/are, but successful candidates probably went above and beyond to study, get the gouge, network and prepare for the interview..'cause a job with Delta was on the line..!
Maybe that's the trait they're looking for? ..
Anyway, I agree with Bar and Gloopy..bring the large RJ flying back to mainline as DCI collapses and HIRE the pilots we need to fly them...Delta pilots should fly all Delta pax flying on jets painted in Delta colors! JMHO
Last edited by CGfalconHerc; 05-12-2014 at 09:07 AM.
05-12-2014, 08:37 AM
#3795
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
You know this in spite of our Negotiating Committee's repeated statements otherwise?
May I ask how?
May I ask how?
The negotiating committee also told us a bunch of other stuff that turned out to be, shall we say, utter garbage.
05-12-2014, 08:38 AM
#3796
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
The Compass flows are a bit different. NWA had solid scope prior to bankruptcy. The only jets above 50 seats were the 35 Avros (69 seats I believe). The Avros could not be replaced, once they were gone, they're gone. The rest of the commuter fleet consisted of a limited number of 50 seaters, larger number of CRJ-200s restricted to 44 seats and the Saabs.
During bankruptcy, the company was going to get some scope relief. NWA ALPA wasn't going to give it without giving the jobs to the furloughed folks. The existing regionals were not going to give the furloughed NWA pilots super seniority (seats to the new larger airframes) so NWA instead created Compass. These jobs were for current furloughees and also FUTURE furloughs. This created an excellent layer of furlough protection we still enjoy today. The flip side to this flow back was the flow through which was sunsetted with the transfer of ownership. Those who interviewed and were given jobs at Compass had (I believe) a 3 year minimum time there then a guaranteed flow after at a metered pace. Those who interviewed had roughly the same backgrounds and passed the same interview as those at NWA. Since the sale of Compass, the flow is no longer in place with the exception of those grandfathered, but the flowbacks are still there giving us an effective layer of furlough protection.
I could very well be off on a detail or two, but this is basically how it went down. In a sense, this flowback does benefit Delta pilots.
During bankruptcy, the company was going to get some scope relief. NWA ALPA wasn't going to give it without giving the jobs to the furloughed folks. The existing regionals were not going to give the furloughed NWA pilots super seniority (seats to the new larger airframes) so NWA instead created Compass. These jobs were for current furloughees and also FUTURE furloughs. This created an excellent layer of furlough protection we still enjoy today. The flip side to this flow back was the flow through which was sunsetted with the transfer of ownership. Those who interviewed and were given jobs at Compass had (I believe) a 3 year minimum time there then a guaranteed flow after at a metered pace. Those who interviewed had roughly the same backgrounds and passed the same interview as those at NWA. Since the sale of Compass, the flow is no longer in place with the exception of those grandfathered, but the flowbacks are still there giving us an effective layer of furlough protection.
I could very well be off on a detail or two, but this is basically how it went down. In a sense, this flowback does benefit Delta pilots.
And as an added bonus, DL might start automatically taking TOTD's like the guy who delayed a flight bad mouthing DL in the gate area because he didn't get through the interview?
Its time for the company to admit this little pet outsourcing to the lowest bidder project isn't working anymore.
05-12-2014, 09:30 AM
#3797
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Its time for the company to admit this little pet outsourcing to the lowest bidder project isn't working anymore.
05-12-2014, 02:26 PM
#3798
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Nothing is free. If we wanted it, the company didn't give it to us.
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
The negotiating committee also told us a bunch of other stuff that turned out to be, shall we say, utter garbage.
Last edited by Alan Shore; 05-12-2014 at 02:39 PM.
05-12-2014, 02:33 PM
#3799
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
A bunch of stuff that turned out to be garbage? Do tell. This should be good.
"300 early outs if we pass it!"
"ALV+15 is just for international categories"
"The company will never take advantage of the 'good faith' sick call loophole"
"We're not getting 717s unless we pass it!"
"The 50 seaters will be re-engined unless we pass it"
Utter garbage.
05-12-2014, 02:38 PM
#3800
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Just off the top of my head:
"300 early outs if we pass it!"
"ALV+15 is just for international categories"
"The company will never take advantage of the 'good faith' sick call loophole"
"We're not getting 717s unless we pass it!"
"The 50 seaters will be re-engined unless we pass it"
Utter garbage.
"300 early outs if we pass it!"
"ALV+15 is just for international categories"
"The company will never take advantage of the 'good faith' sick call loophole"
"We're not getting 717s unless we pass it!"
"The 50 seaters will be re-engined unless we pass it"
Utter garbage.
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