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Old 06-16-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101 View Post
Not to scare anyone, but I think the recent terminations of a few people who failed md88 training are making people second guess if they can go from their current electronic airplane to the older technology. It looks like it will be a fun experience going back to a real hand flying airplane and actually becoming a stick and rudder pilot again, but the transition is going to require dusting off some old cobwebs. I think I'm gonna like the 88!
Failed MD88 training? How do you do that? Just remember needle, speedle, air bubble.... wait, never mind.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dtwlandlord View Post
Thanks for all the feedback on the ER. Just got home from my yellow fever shot, so at least I'm covered if I end up going that route! With the ER slowly shrinking, would the 737 be a compromise, with the occasional senior -900 trip assigned to a lowly reserve pilot?
I can't speak on the 737 but I'm in the final week of 7ER training so I know a little about that.

Systems training is primarily CBT so you should have a pretty good idea how that works. The systems evaluation is strictly "need to know" material and the CBT and LOD ( Learning Objectives Document) train directly to the eSV which is a computer based test. There is no traditional "oral exam". 757-200 systems are taught and differences are presented at the end of each section. It's a very straight forward process but it's an old airplane so people like me who came from the latest, greatest gee wiz airplane will have " ***?" moments, especially in the auto flight section.

My suggestion is to get your indoc assignments done as soon as possible and start working on the CBT when you get it. You are supposed to get one week off before training and that may be all you get. Most people in my class found it hard to get work done at home. Be realistic about your home commitments and use you time wisely and it really isn't a problem.

International training is introduced before domestic operations. The idea is not that you will perfect the process but that more exposure will make TOE easier, which is probably true, but very frustrating. I think the international training interrupts the normal learning process. You will do an off-track diversion before ever doing a normal descent from cruise. Don't know what a "track" is? Neither did I before training.

The 7ER is a lot of work for someone with no international experience. The airplane is old so it is a little more to learn than a newer airplane but Delta's systems philosophy doesn't require knowing more than you can control from the cockpit so it's not bad. International operations adds a lot of study time on top of learning a new airplane at a new company.

Plan on studying a lot and you won't have a problem. The instructors are really good and the DIG (Delta Instructor's Guide) lays out all of the lessons exactly as they will be performed so you know what to study.

If you want the easiest path to the line I suggest another airplane. I don't know what that is. The 717 should be relatively easy but it's a new program so it may be a bit less organized. That's speculation for what it's worth.

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Old 06-16-2014, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101 View Post
Not to scare anyone, but I think the recent terminations of a few people who failed md88 training are making people second guess if they can go from their current electronic airplane to the older technology. It looks like it will be a fun experience going back to a real hand flying airplane and actually becoming a stick and rudder pilot again, but the transition is going to require dusting off some old cobwebs. I think I'm gonna like the 88!
How many terminations were there?
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:16 PM
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Only 2 that I know of, but I know it was resonating in people's minds regarding if they had the right stuff to make it thru the training from their current airplanes. I think with the right attitude the training will be a blast. I hope my sim instructors cut me some slack the first few sessions while I get acclimated. Ive admittedly been spoiled by Boeing
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101 View Post
Only 2 that I know of, but I know it was resonating in people's minds regarding if they had the right stuff to make it thru the training from their current airplanes. I think with the right attitude the training will be a blast. I hope my sim instructors cut me some slack the first few sessions while I get acclimated. Ive admittedly been spoiled by Boeing
You'll do just fine. From your posts here your attitude is excellent, and that is huge. The tough part is leaving behind the way you did things before and doing it the way Delta wants. Cooperate, graduate, and enjoy the gig! I got through, so it can't be that difficult! Again, welcome, and have fun.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler View Post
You'll do just fine. From your posts here your attitude is excellent, and that is huge. The tough part is leaving behind the way you did things before and doing it the way Delta wants. Cooperate, graduate, and enjoy the gig! I got through, so it can't be that difficult! Again, welcome, and have fun.
Thanks Spud! Im originally a McConnell Douglas baby so im coming full circle, and I couldn't be more excited about any airplane I get. The one thing I have learned in my research is that regardless of equipment, the crews are great to fly with, and that is the most important thing for job satisfaction. 3 more weeks
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:35 PM
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Spoke with a dl FO the other day who told me that initial training on the ER is probably the most difficult in the fleet due to the international ops. Someone else once told me the ER was like having to learn 4 different airplanes. After being a silent daily reader on these Delta threads for the past several months, my 7/7 classdate is approaching, and I'm torn between the ER possibility, and a more reasonable choice of the 717 or bus, which would possibly offer me a smoother training transition from my current equipment. Any comments?

We were told probably no more ERs to new hires
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:39 PM
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Spent a week on Virginia ave last week. Word was there was a former mil heavy guy not comfortable with the capt making abort decisions. Felt he could/should get a vote on the abort. Also a 9e or compass guy on the line that expected Capts to do every other walk around vs it being a courtesy. There were a couple of more issues I can't remember. The instructor did say these wee the outliers and the majority( both civ and mil) were top notch.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dtwlandlord View Post
... would the 737 be a compromise, with the occasional senior -900 trip assigned to a lowly reserve pilot?
The -900 doesn't go senior. Nobody I've talked to likes it, except the passengers ... who are starting to complain about the weather that the airplane can't avoid at the altitudes it operates in. The -700 is a much better airplane.

It would be hard to bid around the the -900, but it wont be "senior."
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
The -900 doesn't go senior. Nobody I've talked to likes it, except the passengers ... who are starting to complain about the weather that the airplane can't avoid at the altitudes it operates in. The -700 is a much better airplane.

It would be hard to bid around the the -900, but it wont be "senior."
Funny - I totally agree. But if you added a higher pay for the -900 it would go Senior over night. We're $!ut$ for $$$...plain and simple.

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