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Old 03-12-2014, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mike12345 View Post
Indoc is 9 days, and boy they are long and boring days. I would recommend not bringing your spouse to indoc unless they really want to. I'd bring them to Florida and let them go to Disney world. After the suck of indoc, you may or may not get a break of up to two weeks.

The actual training was about 20 days or so and is both awesome training and very easy. You begin with some basic general knowledge classes in the systems phase that culminates in a 20-30 minute ground eval. You do about 6 rides in a paper trainer doing basic procedures like flows and call outs. Huge learning curve, and the trainer flies like crap, but the building block approach they use is phenomenal.

You then get in a real sim and do more traditional stuff like V1 cuts and approaches. The sim is great, but it comes so fast you're "proficient" before you know what you're doing.

Finally the last phase is just flying a simple mission that has some things go wrong. You will probably be paired with an FO which makes it tough because you have to know Captain stuff too (even though they say you don't) or you will screw your partner up.

While some people struggle and a few fail out, other than indoc which isn't entirely their fault, it is by far the best, most efficient, and easiest training I have ever received (mil heavy background).
Seems accurate except its a fully functional FTD sans visuals. Paper trainers are just that, paper.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer View Post
Hi Howard. Yes, I have three internal recs. No blue dart. I went to the WAI conference last week and everyone I spoke to said they were looking forward to meeting me on the 19th.

One of my internal recs said that he asked a recruiter about hiring minimums last month and the response was '1501 hours is good to go'. I'm a little in the dark as to what happened. Did the minimums change? Was it a single recruiters decision? Was it something else on my app that I don't know about? I really have no idea. It's puzzling. I'm not in a position to question and I'm not owed anything by JB so I just have to roll with it.

Like pilotpayne said, I will hang in there and keep moving forward. I hope to see you there someday.
Total wild guess but it is my understanding they have recently had issues with folks in training. I am assuming there are multiple steps towards fixing it but simply "higher" time applicants is one of them.

If they did an analysis and found that a larger percentage of failures had similar lower total time than this may be the reason for the sudden rescind of the offer.

The good news...... they wanted you once, they'll want you again.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
You mention "bringing wife to indoc". I saw some mention of that as a company function. True?
My wife stayed home and I think that was a better choice personally. If they come they sit through the Day 1 orientation, which is hours upon hours of lectures from management about how to run an airline. On Day 2 I believe they are given tours of the schoolhouse and time permitting are allowed to try flying one of the simulators (wouldn't count in it). That night there is a welcome dinner at a local BBQ restaurant.

I'm sure some others will chime in, but I would rather have my wife come down to MCO on a weekend when I didn't have class.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:43 AM
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Wife came. Board out of her mind. She thought flying the sim was cool but then Got motion sick when the others flew.

Her words "why are they trying to sell you this job... Your already here".

Wished she had stayed at the pool with margaritas.

Ymmv
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt View Post
Total wild guess but it is my understanding they have recently had issues with folks in training. I am assuming there are multiple steps towards fixing it but simply "higher" time applicants is one of them.

If they did an analysis and found that a larger percentage of failures had similar lower total time than this may be the reason for the sudden rescind of the offer.

The good news...... they wanted you once, they'll want you again.
I hope you're right. Your thinking is logical. I hope it all works out in the end. I've been in the airline industry for 24 years. I know that value of getting hired at the beginning of a wave vs. the end of a wave... and that's the bummer. At this point though, I'm just hoping to get hired. It would be light years from where I'm at with a regional carrier. Thanks for your encouragement.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
My wife stayed home and I think that was a better choice personally. If they come they sit through the Day 1 orientation, which is hours upon hours of lectures from management about how to run an airline. On Day 2 I believe they are given tours of the schoolhouse and time permitting are allowed to try flying one of the simulators (wouldn't count in it). That night there is a welcome dinner at a local BBQ restaurant.

I'm sure some others will chime in, but I would rather have my wife come down to MCO on a weekend when I didn't have class.
I see Sonny's was the BBQ joint of choice yesterday. A nice road trip to Cecil's on Orange Ave would surely have impressed.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:21 AM
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I think Sonny's is the default just because of its proximity to hotel row where the newhires stay. To the guy whose wife asked why they are selling you on JB when you're already hired, I actually didn't mind that as a new hire. Especially coming from bung-hole regionals where you're essentially a part number, it was kinda nice to be schmoozed for a day or so; just don't let it fool you in the long run. Ymmv of course.
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:38 PM
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AE, totally agree. It was a breath of fresh air then...
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer View Post
Hiring update.

I'm a regional guy. Applied in the DEC 2013 window with 3000 hours TT, 2000 jet, 950 prop PIC and no Captain time.

I had an interview set up for next week; the March 19th session in NYC. I currently have 3200 hours TT. Last night I got an email from my recruiter saying that my interview is cancelled. It said I don't meet competitive minimums of 3500+ hours TT. I was told to email him when I get to 3500 hours and to reapply in the new requisition which is planned to post in July.

I know some earlier posts said some guys were having a tough time getting through training. Maybe this is the fallout? I don't know. I'm deflated right now as jetBlue is my airline of choice. Like the recruiter said, I'll just keep plugging away.

Thought this would be some good info for those waiting to hear back from B6 if you're under 3500 hours TT.
Interesting... I interviewed back in Jan with 1700 hrs, split between mil and civ time. A few internal recs I'm sure helped me get there...interview went well and I felt I was well prepped, but I got a TBNT email which really surprised me. I guess you confirmed my theory that perhaps in their eyes even the mins aren't really enough for them.
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Old 03-12-2014, 02:01 PM
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God? Hardly. I don't trust this group anyway. You made an accusation that someone lied. I would provide specific details if I was going to post such a thing.

TX you want facts and no lies...Here it is.

ALPO wastes mad amounts of loot!

ALPO represents an absolute conflict of interest!

ALPO performs anti-employee tactics on their own employess (see unit 1 judgement)

ALPO gets to touch your 401k before you do?!
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