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Old 02-24-2015, 01:57 PM
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That sounds false, since it actually seems to have quite the effect on hiring, given the apparent ban on interviewing RAH pilots. No point in getting into the question here of why an RAHer would want to apply or how many have apps in, but a few RAH pilots (some junior ones I know of) do have an app in and have also been told that they'll never get a call. They appear to have at least competitive resumes based on what I've seen of F9 hiring lately. If accurate, it's an interesting policy and not a very friendly one when we all appreciate the privilege of occupying a jumpseat sometimes.

Do you know whether this is currently the case?
Honest question, who is telling them "they'll never get a call"? I know we have a bunch of fine RAH guys on line.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:27 PM
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That sounds false, since it actually seems to have quite the effect on hiring, given the apparent ban on interviewing RAH pilots. No point in getting into the question here of why an RAHer would want to apply or how many have apps in, but a few RAH pilots (some junior ones I know of) do have an app in and have also been told that they'll never get a call. They appear to have at least competitive resumes based on what I've seen of F9 hiring lately. If accurate, it's an interesting policy and not a very friendly one when we all appreciate the privilege of occupying a jumpseat sometimes.

Do you know whether this is currently the case?
Well I guess that answers my main question. Wasn't trying to throw darts or troll. Disclaimer-- I'm a Republic pilot. I was hired after F9 was already sold off...Just wondering if my resume is tainted so long as it says "Republic Airways" on it... Or do I stand a chance if I go to a career fair and say "Im sorry about Republic, I promise I'm not d-bag, please hire me."

Some CA told me that Frontier was supposed to honor a Republic pilots seniority if/when hired... Sounded false, was just wondering if that were the case and the explanation for lack of RAH guys hired, or can I thank RAH management for that? In all honesty, every one of your pilots at F9 seem like great guys that I would love to work with.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:51 PM
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Zoo. Perhaps I'm wrong but that seems to be a common perception at RAH. Specifically, RAH pilots hired at F9 AFTER the initial Eischen came out, not the few who interviewed before - Have there been any afterwards? I can think of a few RAH pilots with internal connections of one sort or another at F9 who have said they were specifically told the HR hiring process simply won't touch an RAH pilot and they shouldn't waste their time.

Sandrich, I don't think anyone at RAH suspects the SLI is worth more than toilet paper, but I'm not exactly in the know. I under the impression it's dead for all intents and purposes. Good luck regardless of where you're applying.
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Old 02-24-2015, 03:41 PM
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Sandrich, I don't think anyone at RAH suspects the SLI is worth more than toilet paper, but I'm not exactly in the know. I under the impression it's dead for all intents and purposes. Good luck regardless of where you're applying.
The IMSL (Integrated Master Seniority List) that you speak of is completely dead; I don't know how zooropa could have conveyed that better. I wouldn't 't waste another keystroke debating it, use the search function and you'll find it in this forum.
I can't speak to whether we're truly discriminating resumes with RAH employment listed, I'm not affiliated with the hiring process. If we are hiring RAH guys, they're seniority is the same as every other new hire. Period.
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Old 02-24-2015, 05:27 PM
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I can't speak to whether we're truly discriminating resumes with RAH employment listed, I'm not affiliated with the hiring process. If we are hiring RAH guys, they're seniority is the same as every other new hire. Period.
Thanks. I didn't care whether or not a Republic hire would maintain seniority or start at the bottom. Was just curious if the IMSL was the reason for not hiring RAH guys. But since it clearly doesn't exist anymore, it must be purely because of the dislike for RAH. Sorry if what I was asking was unclear. Regardless, please proceed...
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Old 02-24-2015, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D View Post
Zoo. Perhaps I'm wrong but that seems to be a common perception at RAH. Specifically, RAH pilots hired at F9 AFTER the initial Eischen came out, not the few who interviewed before - Have there been any afterwards? I can think of a few RAH pilots with internal connections of one sort or another at F9 who have said they were specifically told the HR hiring process simply won't touch an RAH pilot and they shouldn't waste their time.

Sandrich, I don't think anyone at RAH suspects the SLI is worth more than toilet paper, but I'm not exactly in the know. I under the impression it's dead for all intents and purposes. Good luck regardless of where you're applying.
I don't know about the timeframe but there is no logical reason to exclude RAH pilots. If they want to work for F9 they will have the same opportunity as anyone else. If someone at F9 can be quoted as saying otherwise they should be called out. I can think of two or three pilots at RAH that would have a short interview process, but I also know they don't want to be "hired" at F9 so it is a moot point. If you work for RAH and want to fly at F9 you should apply.
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Old 02-24-2015, 06:42 PM
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I don't know about the timeframe but there is no logical reason to exclude RAH pilots. If they want to work for F9 they will have the same opportunity as anyone else.
No one's suggesting logic is playing a part. I guess I'm specifically saying that I know of people who are applying are immediately getting a "thanks but no thanks" email, or being told "don't waste your time" by specific people. So I'm questioning whether they really have "the same opportunity as anyone else" or whether they actually have zero opportunity. Again, I do know we've had pilots apply and they're at least in the general ballpark of "qualified". Given that we seem to be hemorrhaging pilots to all majors and just about everyone in the world right now I would think we have got to have at least a single qualified candidate applying and in the vicinity of "hirable". Again, I could be wrong and perhaps F9's been hiring a few here and there.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:09 PM
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... we seem to be hemorrhaging pilots to all majors...
Are we? I have watched the attrition above me for 1 year (since I've been hired) and it's been 2.8/month. And this includes retirements. Of course factoring in the ones Jr to me that have left would bump up this stat, but I can't imagine much. Anyone know the real attrition rate?
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D View Post
That sounds false, since it actually seems to have quite the effect on hiring, given the apparent ban on interviewing RAH pilots. No point in getting into the question here of why an RAHer would want to apply or how many have apps in, but a few RAH pilots (some junior ones I know of) do have an app in and have also been told that they'll never get a call. They appear to have at least competitive resumes based on what I've seen of F9 hiring lately. If accurate, it's an interesting policy and not a very friendly one when we all appreciate the privilege of occupying a jumpseat sometimes.

Do you know whether this is currently the case?
Originally Posted by zoooropa View Post
I don't know about the timeframe but there is no logical reason to exclude RAH pilots. If they want to work for F9 they will have the same opportunity as anyone else. If someone at F9 can be quoted as saying otherwise they should be called out. I can think of two or three pilots at RAH that would have a short interview process, but I also know they don't want to be "hired" at F9 so it is a moot point. If you work for RAH and want to fly at F9 you should apply.
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No one's suggesting logic is playing a part. I guess I'm specifically saying that I know of people who are applying are immediately getting a "thanks but no thanks" email, or being told "don't waste your time" by specific people. So I'm questioning whether they really have "the same opportunity as anyone else" or whether they actually have zero opportunity. Again, I do know we've had pilots apply and they're at least in the general ballpark of "qualified". Given that we seem to be hemorrhaging pilots to all majors and just about everyone in the world right now I would think we have got to have at least a single qualified candidate applying and in the vicinity of "hirable". Again, I could be wrong and perhaps F9's been hiring a few here and there.
Do you regularly ask a question, argue with the answer, and then disclose that you most likely have NFI about what's actually going on?
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:43 AM
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Are we? I have watched the attrition above me for 1 year (since I've been hired) and it's been 2.8/month. And this includes retirements. Of course factoring in the ones Jr to me that have left would bump up this stat, but I can't imagine much. Anyone know the real attrition rate?
I think he meant RAH. If anyone's leaving F9, it seems it's mostly off the bottom.
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