Qotsaautopilot

You guys realize the going rate is $245 right now and climbing with junior captains over $200? $230 at date of signing is too low and my guess is if it's in there is coming at dos +4 when the legacies will have $300 narrow body captains with a 16%defined contribution. Signing anything at $230 especially years after dos only puts you at the bottom again in just a year or two.

Spirit management made a proposal with $235 15 year captains. Not year 12 which is industry standard and junior captain was still around $150. On top of that it was all at dos+4 which would be 2021. The NC sent it out to the group to see what a joke it was and what kind of management we are dealing with.

United has a snap up to delta if delta ratifies something better and both united and AA are amendable in 2019. Do you really want to be bottom of the barrel again when the next round happens? I don't.

AncientAliens

I think our pilot groups have more in common than you give us credit for. There was some cautious optimism when negotiations began but most people are starting to realize the company has no intention to give us anything close to an industry standard contract.

Management's response to our interim pay adjustment request during the next session will be telling. If they don't play ball I'm hoping the union has the courage to take the company into expedited arbitration for violating the contract.

Regarding the IPO, our contract fight is irrelevant. I have a friend from college who works as an underwriter for one of the big banks. I asked him if open negotiations with a major labor group would affect the company's valuation during an IPO. He said it was something the underwriters would take into account but it wouldn't be a significant factor. The institutional investors aren't stupid, they know how the RLA works. In their eyes they are getting the best labor rates in the country for a minimum of 4-5 years.

Yabadaba

I agree. Arbitration will get more attention by underwriters than just negotiations but still won't be a huge factor. Anything received in arbitration will be much better than they appear willing to give us... and expediting will save us several years to get to the same place.

JDLitt

I did a search and couldn't find the answer to this question. On Frontiers website they list the hiring mins as:

Qualifications:
• 2500 hours total
• 1500 hours multi-engine fixed wing*¹
• 500 hours pilot in command (PIC)*²
• 500 hours jet/turbo-prop

Also there is a note that military pilots receive .3 per sortie. Am I to understand this multiplier applies to all categories? Purely for example, say I had 2200 total time and only 1300 of that is multi. Will the .3 multiplier boost you over 2500 total time and 1500 hours multi if you were just under? I'm assuming so but wanted to make sure.

sulkair

Hopefully it works out better for us than the Training Displacement Arbitration did.

JDLitt

Never mind I figure it out. It's .3 per "sortie" not flight hour, just liked I typed in my own question. I'm retarded.

Yabadaba

Absolutely... still in disbelief about that one.

NoCoairbus

Then you'll fit right in here. 😀

PulledBreaker

Got the interview invite today. I attended the MCO event in April.

Vspeeds

Did you go to the Sun & Fun on April, 6th & 7th or to the Q & A on the 8th, at Marriott?