Frontier Hiring.
10-20-2016, 09:07 PM
#5762
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder
Are you saying you came to F9 without knowing what the pay and benefits were? Seriously, who does that?
You can always leave F9 for a direct entry Captain position at a Regional and make more money, right? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to again get used to being treated like a small farm animal with, at best, 12 days off per month.
How many days off you have last month? That's what I thought.
You made the decision to come here knowing the pay AND knowing that we are years away from a new contract. What, you think management is just gonna suddenly adopt a Santa Claus complex and give you a pay raise out of the goodness of their hearts? That doesn't happen...anywhere without a fight...ever.
Come on guys, wake up. This is reality.
You can always leave F9 for a direct entry Captain position at a Regional and make more money, right? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to again get used to being treated like a small farm animal with, at best, 12 days off per month.
How many days off you have last month? That's what I thought.
You made the decision to come here knowing the pay AND knowing that we are years away from a new contract. What, you think management is just gonna suddenly adopt a Santa Claus complex and give you a pay raise out of the goodness of their hearts? That doesn't happen...anywhere without a fight...ever.
Come on guys, wake up. This is reality.
13 days off last month, which is easy to match or better at a regional by the way. Plenty of lines with 12 off next month.
This is reality, yes thanks for the insight. I'm trying to give people honest information, and you seem a bit defensive about it.
10-21-2016, 09:23 AM
#5763
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Thanks, I spoke with HR, expressed my concerns in as nice as way as possible and made it clear that it isn't worth either of our time to continue the process.
10-21-2016, 09:42 AM
#5764
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 271
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Thanks, I spoke with HR, expressed my concerns in as nice as way as possible and made it clear that it isn't worth either of our time to continue the process.
10-21-2016, 10:02 AM
#5765
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Originally Posted by dotsero
Such a tough choice to turn down job offer after waiting so long for this industry to turn around....Well done!
I told JetBlue the same thing in 1999 because they were a start up with **** pay, no benefits and the pilots signed a contract.
10-21-2016, 11:35 AM
#5766
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Yup, you guys showed them by golly!
I told JetBlue the same thing in 1999 because they were a start up with **** pay, no benefits and the pilots signed a contract.
I told JetBlue the same thing in 1999 because they were a start up with **** pay, no benefits and the pilots signed a contract.
Both those companies pilot groups were able to get gains in pay/work rules without unions for a while. They had a good labor/management relationship. What do you think would happen if we didn't have a union with the folks at indigo who own/"manage" us now? HA HA
Don't get me wrong there are great people at F9-good group of pilots to work with.
The upper management matters in where you choose to work, and the indigo folks have unfortunately shown that they would not **** on us if we were on fire.
10-21-2016, 11:37 AM
#5767
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Originally Posted by dead meat
Me too, tough call to make but I couldn't stomach the idea of paying for a hotel/crashpad in training for $37 an hour. I would have walked in the first day of indoc frustrated instead of excited.
10-21-2016, 12:08 PM
#5768
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Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Yup, you guys showed them by golly!
I told JetBlue the same thing in 1999 because they were a start up with **** pay, no benefits and the pilots signed a contract.
I told JetBlue the same thing in 1999 because they were a start up with **** pay, no benefits and the pilots signed a contract.
10-21-2016, 03:37 PM
#5769
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Posts: 189
Originally Posted by AncientAliens
Actually they are showing Indigo. Way to be a jerk about it. These guys just did us a huge favor and you're belittling them. Until F9 has trouble filling classes nothing is going to change. It's sad that the regionals are now a more attractive and lucrative place to work than Frontier but that's the reality of the situation.
10-21-2016, 04:50 PM
#5770
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If you are looking at F9 or any other LCC as just a stepping stone (couple of years) you may be much better off at a wholly owned regional, with a quick upgrade, better first-year pay, health and travel benefits and not to mention commuter hotels in some cases.
And if you are young enough, don't forget the flow. In the meantime just keep applying for OTS hiring. Win-Win!
And if you are young enough, don't forget the flow. In the meantime just keep applying for OTS hiring. Win-Win!
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