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Old 09-17-2013, 08:49 AM
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“Recently, Pilots have been telling me that our cost advantage relative to our competition is widening. I am not sure where this information originated but unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, over the last 5 years alone our once massive cost advantage which was 20% has quickly shrunk to 13.” (source: VP Ops email to Pilots, Aug 2, 2013)


While we are fully expecting to be underwhelmed by the conclusions of the PAR Team, we thought we’d help provide a little guidance for the VP Ops.

As of 3Q 2012 DOT statistics, Jet Blue CASM advantage had extended to 28.74% vs. Peer Average airlines. (click here)

Also, the MIT Airline Data Project has produced an excruciatingly thorough and comparative analysis of airline productivity, revenue, traffic count and total cockpit cost advantage/disadvantage, since 1995. (click here)

According to the smart folks at MIT, the VP Ops Ford & Harrison talking points statements simply don’t hold water. Let’s compare Jet Blue Pilot costs vs. some peer set pilot costs, accounting for total compensation, averaged from 2010-2012:

· Jet Blue Pilots work for a 28% discount compared to American.

· Jet Blue Pilots work for a 32% discount compared to Delta.

· Jet Blue Pilots work for a 21% discount compared to United.

· Jet Blue Pilots work for a 17% discount compared to Southwest.

· Jet Blue Pilots work for a 19% discount compared to Alaska.

Since our total CASM and Pilot Cost advantage is already huge, and if our peer set will be getting on average raises of 16% in 2014, why does the PAR team insist upon outsourcing codesharing massive amounts of OUR flying in trade for a sub-par pay increase…?

Why also did the ELT feel the need to STRIP our “unsustainable” health care away while the company enjoys such a large cost gap vs. our Peer Airline set?


Numbers don’t lie…..


If you are looking for places to cut costs, we suggest you try another department…. (click here)

Take Management, for example:

· Jet Blue managers work for a 15% premium compared to American.

· Jet Blue managers work for a 30% premium compared to Delta.

· Jet Blue managers work for a 10% premium compared to Southwest.


But Wait, There’s More….

See this:

· Our manager to pilot ratio is equal to that of American.

· Our manager to pilot ratio is 30% greater than United.

· Our manager to pilot ratio is 30% greater than Southwest.


Don’t even THINK about using Jet Blue Pilots as scapegoats in a discussion about airline costs.


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Old 09-17-2013, 09:26 AM
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Good luck guys! Hope you guys get it to pass this time around.
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Haven't been around very long here at Blue, but very interesting .... Always willing to learn more ... Eyes and ears open
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:49 PM
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Haven't been around very long here at Blue, but very interesting .... Always willing to learn more ... Eyes and ears open
smartest thing i've ever heard on the internet
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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Haven't been around very long here at Blue, but very interesting .... Always willing to learn more ... Eyes and ears open
I hope more blue pilots take this attitude.
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Haven't been around very long here at Blue, but very interesting .... Always willing to learn more ... Eyes and ears open
Lots of inconvenient truths to be found.....
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:29 AM
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Haven't been around very long here at Blue, but very interesting .... Always willing to learn more ... Eyes and ears open
The single greatest problem with the JetBlue pilot group is their unwillingness to listen to the truth. Management spends millions per year on legal and marketing campaigns, well designed mind you, to convince you of their convenient truths. BlueTruth.com takes information from MIT studies and shares that information. MIT aviation studies are done by number crunching geniuses who have NO AFFILIATION with any airline.

There is no bending of facts. Standard aviation metrics used by all airlines.

Welcome to the airline and please continue to read and learn as much as you can.
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
The single greatest problem with the JetBlue pilot group is their unwillingness to listen to the truth. Management spends millions per year on legal and marketing campaigns, well designed mind you, to convince you of their convenient truths. BlueTruth.com takes information from MIT studies and shares that information. MIT aviation studies are done by number crunching geniuses who have NO AFFILIATION with any airline.

There is no bending of facts. Standard aviation metrics used by all airlines.

Welcome to the airline and please continue to read and learn as much as you can.
Quick question not pertaining to this but you may know.....is ALPA planning on us being a tier two airline as before if/when they are voted in?
How would that effect us as opposed to being a tier one?
If we are a tier two purchased by a tier one is the merger language the same?
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
The single greatest problem with the JetBlue pilot group is their unwillingness to listen to the truth. Management spends millions per year on legal and marketing campaigns, well designed mind you, to convince you of their convenient truths. BlueTruth.com takes information from MIT studies and shares that information. MIT aviation studies are done by number crunching geniuses who have NO AFFILIATION with any airline.

There is no bending of facts. Standard aviation metrics used by all airlines.

Welcome to the airline and please continue to read and learn as much as you can.
Trying to get on board with your "FACTS" but I don't seem to come up with the same numbers. Just playing devils advocate here, but according to your referenced MIT study in 2012, B6 pilots averages $139,687, while DL was $158,227, AMR was $140,689, United was $143,076 and WN was $157,279. Now I'm no math major but I still don't come up with your numbers on a pilot discount percentage basis. How about the other airlines in the peer set, noticed you did not reference them. Are you using some other numbers?
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