Recall of DAL MEC Officers
10-20-2013, 05:06 AM
#501
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There was a threat from the guys who had made up their minds and were marching on party lines. It was only after a counter threat to recall all of them that cooler heads prevailed, they started talking, and a mutual agreement was reached.
That might be over stating things a bit.
The Reps did their own work finding consensus and they deserve the credit for their work.
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10-20-2013, 06:06 AM
#502
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Eight? Can you list them? Man, if its eight, my math is off. If it is just six, that must mean (GASP!) that it wasn't the NvS issue some people are trying to reframe it as.
Maybe that delineates the difference in thinking between the "two sides". One side thinks that consensus is worthwhile just for consensus' sake (groupthink, if you will) and the other side feels that it's better to vote on the facts and principals as they see them.
I don't see it. I mean, if you need the warm and fuzzy embrace of groupthink to keep you warm at night, then rock on. I'm pretty sure of the kind of folks I rather hang with...the people who can think and act for themselves. I'd rather not hang with people who change their minds depending on which way the wind is blowing.
Nu
Maybe that delineates the difference in thinking between the "two sides". One side thinks that consensus is worthwhile just for consensus' sake (groupthink, if you will) and the other side feels that it's better to vote on the facts and principals as they see them.
I don't see it. I mean, if you need the warm and fuzzy embrace of groupthink to keep you warm at night, then rock on. I'm pretty sure of the kind of folks I rather hang with...the people who can think and act for themselves. I'd rather not hang with people who change their minds depending on which way the wind is blowing.
Nu
He also noted that yes, there were innuendoes of how he should vote and the questions and concerns that would be addressed if he voted either way. He took that to be recall, and he said that it was also levied against all ATL Reps not just him. He also was honest enough to state that it came from both sides of the issue not just one side.
On a side note, the Sec and VC both had a lot of votes for recall when there was only one question asked of each of them. Seems to me that the bar for their recall was much lower than some set for the Chairman......
10-20-2013, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Mason
You mean that pesky ATL FO Rep who listened to the issues and determined that he had to take his political tilt out of how he voted? Its easy to vote politically but when there is a bigger issue than just politics, the pilots expect and deserve someone to make decisions absent the politics. Its not convenient,but the reality from my conversations with him after the fact.
He also noted that yes, there were innuendoes of how he should vote and the questions and concerns that would be addressed if he voted either way. He took that to be recall, and he said that it was also levied against all ATL Reps not just him. He also was honest enough to state that it came from both sides of the issue not just one side.
On a side note, the Sec and VC both had a lot of votes for recall when there was only one question asked of each of them. Seems to me that the bar for their recall was much lower than some set for the Chairman......
He also noted that yes, there were innuendoes of how he should vote and the questions and concerns that would be addressed if he voted either way. He took that to be recall, and he said that it was also levied against all ATL Reps not just him. He also was honest enough to state that it came from both sides of the issue not just one side.
On a side note, the Sec and VC both had a lot of votes for recall when there was only one question asked of each of them. Seems to me that the bar for their recall was much lower than some set for the Chairman......
10-20-2013, 06:26 AM
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Carl,
I'm extremely disappointed in your attack on Nestor. You are flat out wrong. You were not there. I was. I talked to him. Others on here talked to him. Its funny how everyone who took the time to talk one on one with him all say the same thing. Yes there was pressure from BOTH sides. He put politics aside and voted on what he thought would be best for the DELTA pilots. That is what he is charged to do. You have lost credibility the last few days. Seriously.
Dave, thank you for doing what you thought was right. Don't quit, we need pilots like you to do the dirty work that the keyboard warriors won't.
I'm extremely disappointed in your attack on Nestor. You are flat out wrong. You were not there. I was. I talked to him. Others on here talked to him. Its funny how everyone who took the time to talk one on one with him all say the same thing. Yes there was pressure from BOTH sides. He put politics aside and voted on what he thought would be best for the DELTA pilots. That is what he is charged to do. You have lost credibility the last few days. Seriously.
Dave, thank you for doing what you thought was right. Don't quit, we need pilots like you to do the dirty work that the keyboard warriors won't.
10-20-2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If the DPA wanted to invest a couple days learning and could hold their members in a coalition of sorts, they could get anything they wanted in ALPA.
10-20-2013, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Good post.
10-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
If you are the unfortunate rep that has the swing vote on a highly charged issue you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Best have thick skin and not care if you are liked or not and make the call as you see it.
10-20-2013, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
How is that the only swing vote? 10/9 means everyone was a swing vote. If you mean roll call then you'd need at least 2 reps or more depending on the base size.
FYI, I am not commenting on whether his vote was right or wrong, only the importance of it and certainly the pressure that was placed upon him.
10-20-2013, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
I guess because he was the last one to commit to the recall and those roll call votes were the difference. Following the normal senatorial process it would have just been another vote, in this case it put it at 50 percent plus one and allowed for a roll call majority.
FYI, I am not commenting on whether his vote was right or wrong, only the importance of it and certainly the pressure that was placed upon him.
FYI, I am not commenting on whether his vote was right or wrong, only the importance of it and certainly the pressure that was placed upon him.
All these recall rumors came out the week of the meeting. I've spoken to AG so far and he says they all get recall threats every month from various pilots on both sides of an imaginary fence.
10-20-2013, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
How do you know he was last to "commit" and wouldn't the Captain Rep from NY be in as much pressure as he is rumored to have not signed either letter?
All these recall rumors came out the week of the meeting. I've spoken to AG so far and he says they all get recall threats every month from various pilots on both sides of an imaginary fence.
All these recall rumors came out the week of the meeting. I've spoken to AG so far and he says they all get recall threats every month from various pilots on both sides of an imaginary fence.
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