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05-08-2014, 05:36 AM
#1911
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Originally Posted by ManFlex
All of that is fine advise for a probationary pilot. Is Delta really the type of place that will terminate a pilot for a missed commute or two? I work for a unionized carrier with a not good management/pilot rapport and that would be an extreme supposition even here. I was under the impression that Delta has good labor relations and the best CBA in the industry - that's what made me question the earlier comments.
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05-08-2014, 07:26 AM
#1914
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
The only reason pilots were let go during probation was for lying on their app. And even this has been extremely rare. We've had guys overspeed flaps ... and simply been retrained.
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05-08-2014, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's very difficult to get fired by Delta. You almost have to make it a goal and work at it. I believe we have the lowest rate of terminated pilots in the industry. Don't lie to them or steal from them and you will have no worries. The commuter policy is spelled out in the contract and there have been zero issues with the company on this probation or not.
If you do what you can to honestly get to work and you don't get there, Delta will have no issue with it. If you are waiting until the last flight to commute to NYC and using the commuting policy regularly, then you will have an issue. Even then, I would bet you won't be fired. I've never heard of anyone being fired for missing a commute. In fact the only people I've heard of that have been fired are guys who get felonies, and the NW guys who were on their laptops.
Basically at Delta when you do something that you find yourself wondering if it is OK, call the CP and let them know. You won't have a problem here if you are honest and let people know what is going on.
05-08-2014, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
This^^^^
If you do what you can to honestly get to work and you don't get there, Delta will have no issue with it. If you are waiting until the last flight to commute to NYC and using the commuting policy regularly, then you will have an issue. Even then, I would bet you won't be fired. I've never heard of anyone being fired for missing a commute. In fact the only people I've heard of that have been fired are guys who get felonies, and the NW guys who were on their laptops.
Basically at Delta when you do something that you find yourself wondering if it is OK, call the CP and let them know. You won't have a problem here if you are honest and let people know what is going on.
If you do what you can to honestly get to work and you don't get there, Delta will have no issue with it. If you are waiting until the last flight to commute to NYC and using the commuting policy regularly, then you will have an issue. Even then, I would bet you won't be fired. I've never heard of anyone being fired for missing a commute. In fact the only people I've heard of that have been fired are guys who get felonies, and the NW guys who were on their laptops.
Basically at Delta when you do something that you find yourself wondering if it is OK, call the CP and let them know. You won't have a problem here if you are honest and let people know what is going on.
05-08-2014, 08:29 AM
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Its also worth nothing that DL has one of the best probation systems in the industry. In addition to "timing out" at 400 block hours, which if you don't train twice during your first year you easily will (busy narrowbody categories could time out in month 7 or 8 including indoc very easily) you also gain protections after you finish OE.
18.D.2. is a very meaningful section and its simply false that you can be canned for anything. Getting terminated from obeying the rules of the commuting policy (contractual or the more generous company policy) would be a very indefensibile position for the company to take unless there were significant mitigating circumstances.
Pilots also have up to 120 days after probation to protest something. So the company can't just shred the contract for probies; they will have to answer for it eventually.
You can also ship 1000 pounds of stuff to your base as a probie new hire. Not many people take advantage of that, but its cool to have I guess. Anyway new hires should find the entire experience suportive and welcoming. Its not perfect, but its pretty good. The last thing we need are a perpetual subset of a couple hundred pilots operating "off contract" because they are afraid of being fired for no reason. Its not going to happen.
18.D.2. is a very meaningful section and its simply false that you can be canned for anything. Getting terminated from obeying the rules of the commuting policy (contractual or the more generous company policy) would be a very indefensibile position for the company to take unless there were significant mitigating circumstances.
Pilots also have up to 120 days after probation to protest something. So the company can't just shred the contract for probies; they will have to answer for it eventually.
You can also ship 1000 pounds of stuff to your base as a probie new hire. Not many people take advantage of that, but its cool to have I guess. Anyway new hires should find the entire experience suportive and welcoming. Its not perfect, but its pretty good. The last thing we need are a perpetual subset of a couple hundred pilots operating "off contract" because they are afraid of being fired for no reason. Its not going to happen.
05-08-2014, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Very good info. I have some friends and a family member in the pool at Delta, so I appreciate the clarification.
There was a guy in the new hire class ahead of me who went in to the presentation given by a uniform vendor to the class behind me. He berated the guy for not having his uniform order ready. Delta found out about it and called the new hire in. He was told to apologize in person to his class, the class he interrupted, and the uniform vendor. He apologized in person to the two classes but he called the vendor. He was let go........
Just sayin'.................
Denny
05-08-2014, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
My simple advice on the whole issue? Why press to test? Regardless of how the policy is enforced, why risk it while on probation? I guess I'm just risk adverse...
There was a guy in the new hire class ahead of me who went in to the presentation given by a uniform vendor to the class behind me. He berated the guy for not having his uniform order ready. Delta found out about it and called the new hire in. He was told to apologize in person to his class, the class he interrupted, and the uniform vendor. He apologized in person to the two classes but he called the vendor. He was let go........
Just sayin'.................
Denny
There was a guy in the new hire class ahead of me who went in to the presentation given by a uniform vendor to the class behind me. He berated the guy for not having his uniform order ready. Delta found out about it and called the new hire in. He was told to apologize in person to his class, the class he interrupted, and the uniform vendor. He apologized in person to the two classes but he called the vendor. He was let go........
Just sayin'.................
Denny
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