Check Essential

I agree with all that but I still think they try to hold down the number of reserve commuters as much as they can. I'm just saying that's the reason they assign short calls they don't really need.

hockeypilot44

Lol. You have been here less than 6 months. Most of us measure stagnation in terms of years. You are in a junior category filled mostly by seat locked new hires. You came in right when the category stopped growing. Give it some time, guys in front of you will bid to bigger aircraft and you will move up. It happens in waves.

Spudhauler

Dude. Get a grip. Many of the captains you fly with sat as engineers for nearly a decade. After 5 plus years I was three from the bottom at the entire airline and was happy because I'd finally been recalled after more than a 4 year furlough. And you feel "jumped on"? I truly hope that no one ever has to deal with what those of us hired in the 200-2001 time frame dealt with, and you are entitled to say your piece, but without context it just comes across as entitled whining.

Sputnik

First off, he doesn't fly the 717. He didn't complain about anything, he was trying to be helpful. This is, after all, a thread where new hires share info and ask questions. One question that has popped up a lot lately is "what plane will get me to ATL fastest." What he offered about the 717 is in that regard was utterly germane to a new hire who knows they are going to NYC, but wants to pick the plane that will get them to ATL asap. Past experience doesn't equal future performance, but for a new guy that wants to get to ATL asap, the 717 appears to be the worst choice. "Stagnant" is a very loaded term, probably was not the best choice.

Just my perspective.

DLpilot

You made very good points. The guy was just helping new hires make a decision on picking a new plane. I am sure those getting ready for a class will appreciate this information.

Simms41

Pile on...I personally know BlaneO. He served honorably in the militaty for 20+ years and is now starting his second career. Trust me, he's not of the entitlement attitude. He's simply trying to help other newbies make as informative of a decision as they can.

As a new hire myself, I can say that we can't possibly truly understand what the past decade and a half has been like for those on property. We know we are starting at some great times. All we can do is heed the advice of those before us and learn as much as we can.

But, it stinks when someone is trying to help someone out and is given grief from others for giving honest feedback. Trust me, we have nothing but mad respect for those above us that went through some rough times. I saw my father go through all of it, so I kind of understand. But it's not an entitlement attitude to express what is the fastest way to get to ATL...at 2014 paces. Just my humble opinion.

Scoop

Simms41,

We are not giving BlaneO grief - simply disagreeing with him. It was quite obvious from his post that he was just trying to share some info to help guys out - very admirable.

As a side note you don't know how happy I am, and how big of a smile it put on my face to see guys talk about stagnation in months!

Truly good times.

Scoop

Simms41

Scoop - you're right these are some amazing times. It's good to get different viewpoints on various issues. The tough part of conversing over the Internet or email is the lack of tone of voice or body language. But I hear what you're saying. It's good to get perspective from all sides.

Times like these are great for everyone!

captkdobbs

Maybe the best way to put it is "There are no NEW 717b positions planned for ATL"

I'm thinking that, with ATL being a 'decent' commute from the west coast, and NYC being a high percentage of commuters from all over, there will most likely be SOME movement created in each of the current 717 bases as guys bid west.

Other thoughts?

sailingfun

The bid closing next Monday has 15 spots for ATL FO's on the 717.