V1rotateV2

Voted in a union....where are you in the negotiation/contract process?

Another question...health insurance options?

thanks

CATIII

Good post, let me give you something to shoot for, as HAL's contract is now going on 4 years old. We set the bar for the DAL contract shortly after ours and we negotiate a new one in 1 year and are aiming to set the bar higher....

HAL ... 4.25 (industry leading now up to 5)

HAL .... 15% gross, no match needed. (Industry leading now 16%)

$2.50 CONUS and International varies from $3.50-$5.21 depending

Full pay for deadhead, and 1st Class seating if over 2 hours.

Bidding allowed, and 1 instructor can be no-listed

12 days off min for Res & Line Holder, 75 hours guarantee both
Long Call res goes into effect Jan 4th.



Sick is at 7.50 hrs/mo, max 1080 hours accrued. IF you use more than 270 consecutive hours for sick call, then the accrual rate increases to 10hr/mo upon return until your sick back is whole again.

Sick call is thru Etna via website or automated phone. Doctors note may be required if longer than 7 days.

Vacation: It's quite complex, but in a nutshell..

year 1 & 2 = 15 days
year 3 = 16 days
year 5 = 21 days
year 10 = 23 days
year 12 = 27 days
year 15 = 29 days
year 20 = 33 days
year 25 = 38 days

Must take 7 days every year min.

Bid is done after Vacation award, and conflicting trips can be dropped.


Double Time

Same

Double Time

$36/hr x 75 hours min

Fully Paid

Growth and career potential about the same.


VERY IMPORTANT, and many pilot's don't look closely at this is our medical benefits are amazing... co-pays are a max of 10% of the doctor's fee for the visit (usually ends up being $12-18), and maxed at $25, most brand name prescription drugs are $5-8/month, Emergency room $50, Hospital admittance $250, with a $5000 LIFETIME, not annual, limit of out of pocket costs for a medical condition. Monthly cost for a family plan with dental and vision is about $150.

Good info, It's good for people to see what they're getting into. I also hope you guys will have the unity to get what you deserve! As I hope we do the same in 2015 to catch up to the UAL/DAL/AA contracts..

CLMP

Well now I'm REALLY depressed, but thanks for the info CATIII. I also hope for the best, but knowing the mindset of those at the top (think Valujet), it will take a strike to get even modest improvements. I fear apathy will set in with the ranks as they turn their focus from improving this place to pursuing other carriers.

CATIII

I hear you brotha... but get the word out, and take it from me... you're not at that "other carrier" until you're AT THAT OTHER CARRIER.... Tell the guys to dig their heals in and brace for a strike... If you just leave Allegiant and then have to compete with their crappy work rules (read high productivity) you're just being short sighted and shooting your career in the foot!

You have to raise EVERYTHING there to at least Spirit airlines level, it's better for all of us, and better for the profession!

CLMP

Agreed CATIII, strike fund is ready. Most of us have the same mindset.

INXS

Well said CLMP & CATIII. That's the facts Jack!

NedsKid

Well, here's Spirit's info (the minimum standard?), based only on the topics addressed by 'labbats'. Some of it better than HAL, some of it not. Like HAL, just about all of it better than ALG currently.

Min Day
Spirit: 4.0 day trip, 4.5 Multi-day or RSV duty
HAL: 4.25
ALG: None

401k Match and eligibility
Spirit: 8% match, going up to 9%
HAL: 15% gross, no match needed
ALG: 100% first 2% then 50% for next 3% for a total of 5% match

PerDiem
Spirit: $2.15
HAL: $2.50 CONUS and International varies from $3.50-$5.21 depending
ALG: $1

DH Pay
Spirit: Full pay for deadhead, no middle seats, must be seated in 'Big Front Seat' (first class) if available at time of departure
HAL: Full pay for deadhead, and 1st Class seating if over 2 hours.
ALG: $20/hr

Training
Spirit: Bidding allowed
HAL: Bidding allowed, and 1 instructor can be no-listed
ALG: Pilots won't be able to Bid for Training

Days Off
Spirit: 13 days off min for Regular and Relief line holder, 12 days off for RSV line, 72 hour guarantee both. All days off must be in blocks of, at minimum '5 days in a row, but no lower than 4' (which works out to 2x 4 day off blocks and 1x 5 day off block for line-holders, minimum). No long call.
HAL: 12 days off min for Res & Line Holder, 75 hours guarantee both
Long Call res goes into effect Jan 4th.
ALG: 11 days off for lineholders, 10 for reserves
Long-Call Reserve program - none

Sick
Spirit: Sick is 4 hrs/mo, max 400 hours accrued. If you use all your sick bank, you can borrow 24 more hours, to be re-accrued when you return. You can also use your vacation bank, if you so choose.
HAL: Sick is at 7.50 hrs/mo, max 1080 hours accrued. IF you use more than 270 consecutive hours for sick call, then the accrual rate increases to 10hr/mo upon return until your sick back is whole again.

Sick call is thru Etna via website or automated phone. Doctors note may be required if longer than 7 days.

ALG:PTO for both sick and vacation...

year 2-3 ... 35 hours a year
year 4-6 ... 45 hours a year
year 7+ ... 52 hours a year

Sick calls paid at 100% if it brings you under the 70 hour guarantee. If over 70 hours you must use PTO. See above.

Vacation
Spirit:
year 1-4 = 4.67 hrs/month and/or 14 days
year 5-9 = 7.0 hrs/month and/or 21 days
year 10-14 = 8.17 hrs/month and/or 21 days
year 15-19 = 9.33 hrs/month and/or 28 days
year 20-24 = 10.5 hrs/month and/or 28 days
year 25+ = 11.67 hrs/month and/or 35 days
Bid is done after Vacation award, and conflicting trips can be dropped.

HAL: It's quite complex, but in a nutshell..
year 1 & 2 = 15 days
year 3 = 16 days
year 5 = 21 days
year 10 = 23 days
year 12 = 27 days
year 15 = 29 days
year 20 = 33 days
year 25 = 38 days

Must take 7 days every year min.

Bid is done after Vacation award, and conflicting trips can be dropped.

ALG: PTO. See above.

Junior Assignment Pay
Spirit: Double Time
HAL: Double Time
ALG: straight pay

Voluntary Open Time Pick-Up
Spirit: straight pay
HAL: straight pay
ALG: straight pay

Critical Pay
Spirit: Double Time
HAL: Double Time
ALG: straight pay

Newhire training pay
Spirit:$1,750 month, hotel paid for. After 90 days, if not already finished with training, $38.50/hr x 72 hours min, and $2.15/hr per diem
HAL: $36/hr x 75 hours min
ALG: $2000/mo and no hotel provided.

Bid Conflicts
Spirit: Pay protected for the higher of the previous or the current award. Entire trip must be dropped if any one day of the trip is conflicted
HAL: Fully Paid
ALG: unpaid. Must re-bid on another day off.

Upgrades and 'Promised' Growth
Spirit: 2.5 year upgrade. Planned growth at 10+ aircraft per year. Fleet will double in next 7 years
HAL: Currently pushing close to a 6 year upgrade. Planned growth at 3-4 aircraft per year.
ALG: Currently pushing close to a 6 year upgrade. Planned growth at 3-4 aircraft per year.

I'd be interested to see other mainline carriers add to this list

CATIII

Spirit got a great contract... I love how CG got fired as VP of flight ops for "allowing it to happen" ... Show's the great guy he was!

Allegiant is a great comparable airline to Spirit in terms of the business model (both frankly stole 50% of it from defunct Skybus), similar business model, similar fleet plans, etc.. I think Allegiant pilots should aim for what Spirit has as a MINIMUM... And ideally if you can get Legacy Airline work rules/pay/retirement/benefits then even better!

Did you all vote in ALPA I hope or something else?

Packrat

They're Teamsters. The best thing the Airline Division of the Teamsters is good for is collecting dues (according to QX guys who know).

CATIII

Sigh... well, it's a start, I'm sure ALPA will land on their property sooner rather than later, likely before they do at B6 (the true enigma).