Allegiant Work Rules
12-27-2013, 09:36 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by CATIII
Spirit got a great contract... I love how CG got fired as VP of flight ops for "allowing it to happen" ... Show's the great guy he was!
Allegiant is a great comparable airline to Spirit in terms of the business model (both frankly stole 50% of it from defunct Skybus), similar business model, similar fleet plans, etc.. I think Allegiant pilots should aim for what Spirit has as a MINIMUM... And ideally if you can get Legacy Airline work rules/pay/retirement/benefits then even better!
Did you all vote in ALPA I hope or something else?
Allegiant is a great comparable airline to Spirit in terms of the business model (both frankly stole 50% of it from defunct Skybus), similar business model, similar fleet plans, etc.. I think Allegiant pilots should aim for what Spirit has as a MINIMUM... And ideally if you can get Legacy Airline work rules/pay/retirement/benefits then even better!
Did you all vote in ALPA I hope or something else?
12-27-2013, 09:40 AM
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Insecurity about the TWA assessment was/is a valid concern. I have a feeling that was an issue (along with the bond rate change) that is driving a LOT of this winter's early retirements.
It would be GREAT not to be an ALPA member when that assessment comes down.
It would be GREAT not to be an ALPA member when that assessment comes down.
12-27-2013, 10:17 AM
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While shooting for the spirit contract is better than nothing it's a bit of a lowball in my mind. It's a good contract but needs much improvement and everyone else has come up a bunch since it was ratified. Alligiant pilots should be shooting for being the best md80 airbus and 757 pilots out there. The goal is best paid airline pilot not best paid ULCC pilot. Win you win, we all win.
12-27-2013, 10:39 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
While shooting for the spirit contract is better than nothing it's a bit of a lowball in my mind. It's a good contract but needs much improvement and everyone else has come up a bunch since it was ratified. Alligiant pilots should be shooting for being the best md80 airbus and 757 pilots out there. The goal is best paid airline pilot not best paid ULCC pilot. Win you win, we all win.
12-27-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CATIII
God knows the company makes enough money to afford it... Arbitrators will see that.
12-27-2013, 11:09 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
While shooting for the spirit contract is better than nothing it's a bit of a lowball in my mind.
Since then, our peers have come out of Ch. 11, are profitable, and the consolidation of Delta/Northwest, Southwest/AirTran, United/Continental, and American/US Airways have changed the landscape, for the positive. Lets not try to replicate an old contract, like Spirit's, but rather a new one, so that we, at Spirit, will not have to hear our management tell us we need a 'cost neutral' contract to compete effectively with Allegiant when we get another bite at the apple.
12-27-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
You'd be surprised what arbitrators can see and what they'll do. Ask any AS pilot how their last arbitration went.
12-27-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CATIII
I'm sure many of then are proud to vote for pro-business republicans too! You reap what you sow. Pilots are your own worse enemy.
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