forgot to bid

Juneau is the most dangerous inaccessible airport in the world. Tegucialpa is childs play.

gooddeal

Have you flown into RIA? - I have.
Have you flown into JNU? - I have.
Have you ever had to buy your way out of several African airports? - I have.
Have you ever dealt with any African CAA for approval of approaches? - I have.
Have you ever dealt with the FAA for approval of approaches? - I have.

Since you probably are not 5/5 on these questions, that's why you think the RNP approval for Delta into JNU is on par with the "generous" donation of resources to get RNAV approaches into an ICAO non-accredited country like Liberia. The two examples are not even relavant in the same discussion.

It's true that Alaska could make Delta's pursuit of JNU service easier by foregoing the proprietary nature of Alaska funded research and approval and publicly offer the RNP approaches. It's not like Delta can't already see how AS flies the approach, it's the FAA certification that is the setback for DL. AS designed, tested and had approved the low RNP mins back when the FAA was less stringent on certification, it's not the same here. And don't be fooled that Delta didn't have to give the Liberians (or most other ICAO non-accredited countries) something more than pro-bono charity...that's not how it works in Africa. Cash can buy things in Africa, whereas the politics of the FAA are different. Of course DL really isn't putting their cheese in the wind helping LCAA certify approaches into a coastal airport with virtually no obstacles but whatever deal they reached is not going to work as quickly as the FAA works.

I guess cash can't buy Alaska either...as Delta has also recently learned.

Pelican

We get it, DAL flies into much more difficult airports than us regional guys could ever imagine. Juneau isn't "hard" in fact it's pretty easy, with RNP. Since this battle is about Seattle and not Juneau, I guess we'll just have to go head to head on your highly coveted & profitable Asian flying. We'll have to hire new pilots though because there's no way us AS guys could ever figure out how to land a wide body or god sakes figure out the difference between transition altitude and level. Afterall, we've only ever flown floats and have zero international or wide body experience.

We're all from the same cloth, no better, no worse.

Elliot

"Houston.........We've got a TON of butthurt on this thread from AS pilots."


Was it FIIG that said it? Both airlines/air lines have a great product, culture, & employee groups. Stop and look how childish some of your posts look prior to hitting "submit."

That's all. Safe Good Friday, Happy Easter/Passover.

GJ

TheManager

^^^^^ This ^^^^^

Remember, we are aviators. Not management. We have no control what management decides to do strategically and with their resources.

Delta decides to build up Seattle and de emphasize NRT, great and what ever. We fly the trips they put in our bid packages. Delta decides to start flying to Alaska be it JNU, FAI, or ASI and KTN, great and what ever again.

You all are focusing your angst and concern at the wrong people. My only observation on this is that the environment changed when Bill left in May two years ago, amirite?

buzzpat

Dude! I want to party with you!

I could give you a go but I agree with the previous posters. Lots of butt hurt, very little substance. Who cares? Delta added a new route. Happens all the time. Doubt that it will matter much.

Happy Easter all!

gloopy

Because all the west are belong to them.


And also YOU DON'T KNOW MAN YOU WEREN'T THERE!!!!!!!!!

Gomerglideslope

Classic..I have a bit of butthurt from laughing at that one. Its a new route, who cares, no need to trot out the entire resume, keep your powder dry.

Justdoinmyjob

I would think the FOI request was for the technical details of the terrain, but since then, Delta paid for an on site survey so it's now a moot point.

As was mentioned , AS got their approach certified while the FAA was still writing the rules. People in the know say that it most likely wouldn't get approved under the rules today. No matter, Delta is aiming to at least get the same mins as Alaska has. Maybe they will, maybe not.

Also, AS has six people who work in the dept that does RNP approaches, Delta only has three people who work on them. Takes a bit longer to churn one out.

80ktsClamp

haha! Well put.

DL has already done the surveying and developed the approach... just waiting on the certification process which apparently won't be done for another few months.