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04-21-2014, 08:16 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by swamp
Ok, does "Frontier - the international power house," sound better? Not trying to bruise any egos but jeez, I flew to more international destinations when I flew the CRJ900 for endeavor, than frontier does combined, and yes I consider most LCC carriers "big regionals".
Shy, agree, regional standards are lower than majors, and they were the lowest when they were hiring 250 hour guys such as yourself.
Shy, agree, regional standards are lower than majors, and they were the lowest when they were hiring 250 hour guys such as yourself.
LCCs are not big regionals. Regionals rely on a major mainline partner to do feeder flying. LCCs are stand-alone airlines that fly their own airplanes in their own colors and selling their own tickets. Your point about international destinations is a market driven metric and does not define the airline. JetBlue and Spirit actually have quite a few international destinations in the Carribean/Central/South America. Virgin and Frontier don't but they each specialize in their own markets. No LCC does Europe because it just doesn't fit the LCC model.
04-21-2014, 11:58 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
Doesn't United have a list of F ups and retards that they won't upgrade? From a story I heard on the jumpseat once, they hired a bunch of poorly qualified people in order to fill some women and minority quota. Many of said people barely held a CPL and were coddled through training. Maybe it's not true, I don't know.
Moral of the story is that majors have morons too. When airlines get desperate (regional or major) they will hire any warm body over parking an airplane. It just so happens it's been a while since any major has had to resort to such things.
Moral of the story is that majors have morons too. When airlines get desperate (regional or major) they will hire any warm body over parking an airplane. It just so happens it's been a while since any major has had to resort to such things.
I remember hearing about those 'folks' hired at United, but wasn't that in the late 90's into 2000. Is this the time frame you are referring to? And yes, the majors will eventually hire a warm body with a pulse in 10+ years if most of the regional and global supply of qualified pilots evaporates. By then the tired word 'shortage' may prompt young people to consider aviation as a career and enter flight training.
04-21-2014, 12:18 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by RedOverWhite
Back on topic….
ALPA moderates and restrains this sort of thing, but it can get out of hand so easily. USAPA, APA may not be as effective and I worry a bit about U-Cal being distracted (but I do tend to worry too much).
IMO unity reduces the risk of having this sort of end run becoming a serious problem for negotiations at the US Legacies. Particularly as the so called "regional" carriers find their ranks being reduced as the 50 seat RJ becomes an economic anachronism.
We should have one list per brand and strike for it if we have to.
04-21-2014, 03:43 PM
#26
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Management will employ any means possible to save money, using any excuse rightly or wrongly available to them. Forget the morality of the act, particularly when the swiss have generally been fairly civilized in labor matters. Should they resort to the plan, it would give others even more reason to do the same, anywhere. Until something happens, safety through experience takes a back seat. I make no judgement on what or what not a regional pilot is capable of. I do know that you get what you pay for, and in aviation, that's not where I want to be. There are good and bad pilots everywhere, but I want the odds to be with me whether I'm a passenger on a RJ or 777.
04-21-2014, 07:25 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by tsquare
ummmmmmmm....
04-22-2014, 10:17 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
This is the problem with allowing our airlines to operate "airline within an airline" systems, like Endeavor at Delta. We let them negotiate with Delta management, Delta promises them airplanes and pay.
ALPA moderates and restrains this sort of thing, but it can get out of hand so easily. USAPA, APA may not be as effective and I worry a bit about U-Cal being distracted (but I do tend to worry too much).
IMO unity reduces the risk of having this sort of end run becoming a serious problem for negotiations at the US Legacies. Particularly as the so called "regional" carriers find their ranks being reduced as the 50 seat RJ becomes an economic anachronism.
We should have one list per brand and strike for it if we have to.
ALPA moderates and restrains this sort of thing, but it can get out of hand so easily. USAPA, APA may not be as effective and I worry a bit about U-Cal being distracted (but I do tend to worry too much).
IMO unity reduces the risk of having this sort of end run becoming a serious problem for negotiations at the US Legacies. Particularly as the so called "regional" carriers find their ranks being reduced as the 50 seat RJ becomes an economic anachronism.
We should have one list per brand and strike for it if we have to.
Wonder if they will be looking back matter-of-factly happy that it was dealt with, or bummed that it wasnt.....
04-22-2014, 01:13 PM
#30
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It depends on what the definition of "brand" is. It may be [way] too late to achieve this merely by rolling regionals onto mainline lists. The time to do that was over 10 years ago when most regionals only flew for a single legacy. Now its a scrambled up mess with everyone flying for everyone and some flying for themselves (on and off).
Legacy groups have to roll back allowable scope limits at the top end and let the bottom end wither on its own. The path to unity is to finally start pushing the scope line back to the point it ceases being viable.
Legacy groups have to roll back allowable scope limits at the top end and let the bottom end wither on its own. The path to unity is to finally start pushing the scope line back to the point it ceases being viable.
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