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Old 04-22-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Goatheard View Post
Thanks that helps I was wrong. I thought the FSM was outside of PEA and could be subject to change.
Well that second sentence is what got us to this point in the first place. I believe though that everything must remain status quo while we negotiate. There can be no major changes to our work rules. Otherwise every company would just cut everyone's pay in half and say, ok we'll start negotiating from there.

Someone with more knowledge than me can probably be more specific as to where we go from here.
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Move to Boston. Your quality of life will be incredible compared to commuting from Indiana. You will earn more money, and spend more time at home.

I don't know if things will change because of this vote, but either way you will have a much different experience as a commuter compared to someone who lives in base.

Yes it is pricey, but there are some nice and affordable areas within an hour or two of the airport. Good luck!
I second this sentiment. If you're at all inclined to move, do so. Totally different job living in base vs commuting. You'll make more $ and have more time at home......oh and less heartburn.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:16 PM
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I was under the impression that once Alpa was signed in, no changed to our current work rules unless it is mandated by law / FAA etc. I could be wrong on this ....
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Goatheard View Post
How is QQL going to be affected for pilots until a cba is reached. I'm a new hire and just nervous about what this will mean for reserves. I'm not complaining but just trying to figure out if I should move family from Indiana to Boston.
My understanding is that the company must maintain the status quo until a CBA is reached. DIsclaimer: I am no expert on this, and no HI Express last night. I think what some are trying to say is that what bennies and freebies the company gave you before are all gonna be gone. You will have to abide by their rules until the CBA is reached. I don't know if they can change them on you, but my advice is know the rule books.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rightside02 View Post
I was under the impression that once Alpa was signed in, no changed to our current work rules unless it is mandated by law / FAA etc. I could be wrong on this ....
Not true at all, PPA, FSM, DRM and non essential committes pro-standards/PVC/work rules have been cancelled as of 1500 est. ALPA gas replacements for some of them but won't be in affect for a while. Fly safe, follow the FOM/ops specs to a tee. The company can fire you for anything including anything they can think of.
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
Not true at all, PPA, FSM, DRM and non essential committes pro-standards/PVC/work rules have been cancelled as of 1500 est. ALPA gas replacements for some of them but won't be in affect for a while. Fly safe, follow the FOM/ops specs to a tee. The company can fire you for anything including anything they can think of.
PPA and DRM are included in the 5 docs, which are included in the current PEA, so they remain. Correct?
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
PPA and DRM are included in the 5 docs, which are included in the current PEA, so they remain. Correct?
No PPA is not part of your PEA, DRM yes but not the whole thing. Without an FSM how will you hold them accountable? Ask yourself this without pro standards who is going to support you through the process? You will be on your own and the company will eat your lunch and then some if they choose to. As for the PPA, it may be given back in the beginnings of negotiations in exchange for what management is trying to do with their Mint product. They want the Flight crew to address the mint cabin seperatly as part of their greetings and give mint clients "special" treatment. We will see how that goes over. ALPA will have some of these fixes ready, I hope. Protect yourself, follow the FOM these are uncharted waters. We just started this Marathon.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
No PPA is not part of your PEA, DRM yes but not the whole thing. Without an FSM how will you hold them accountable? Ask yourself this without pro standards who is going to support you through the process? You will be on your own and the company will eat your lunch and then some if they choose to. As for the PPA, it may be given back in the beginnings of negotiations in exchange for what management is trying to do with their Mint product. They want the Flight crew to address the mint cabin seperatly as part of their greetings and give mint clients "special" treatment. We will see how that goes over. ALPA will have some of these fixes ready, I hope. Protect yourself, follow the FOM these are uncharted waters. We just started this Marathon.
Won't the FSM remain but the FSM governance is gone, so no way to change it?

I agree that this begins a long road ahead.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
want the Flight crew to address the mint cabin seperatly as part of their greetings and give mint clients "special" treatment. We will see how that goes over. ALPA will have some of these fixes ready, I hope. Protect yourself, follow the FOM these are uncharted waters..
Wait, are you saying Mint customers are expecting better treatment and service in exchange for a higher fare?
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Who are the bozos that still voted no?
Who are all the suckers that voted yes? You could just all pay me 1% and get the same results.
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