tsquare

The vote is less than 24 hours old... so....

rvr1800

But the real airlines don't do that?! Oh wait, yeah they actually do. We've got too many idiots at this place. SILO REPS PLEASE!!!

(Just to be clear, I know your post was sarcasm. I agree with you)

Goatheard

This is what I found.
Illinois Business Law Journal | Airline Labor Disputes and the RLA Status Quo Provisions
It appears that status quo pertaining to work rules and pay are interpreted differently for workers who fall under NLRB rules and RLA rules. Previous case law has set precedents that have allowed companies to change pay and work rules prior to obtaining first Collective Bargaining Agreements. Furthermore the Supreme Court has upheld these decisions. My question is does a PEA count as a CBA which would require status quo conditions during negotiations. I would hope, if these rules were not upheld, it should be considered bad faith bargaining. I'm not implying that this will happen I'm just raising the question could this happen?

grim04

I've always wanted to say this but if you don't like the fact that we have a union here you can always leave.........who's stopping you. We won now get over it.

Kellwolf

Honest answer is who knows what our PEAs count as? That's another reason we found ourselves in this situation.

I'm not a fan of ALPA, but it's done, so I'll get behind it. My only hope is we get reps that aren't just out to screw management in retribution , have a level head and realistic attitude and don't just wanna get bought off trips and have an expense account.

Also, as someone else pointed out, don't just blindly follow what ALPA says either. Based on previous experience (both as a line pilot and a committee chair with ALPA), I trust them just a tiny bit more than I trust management. And that's only because it's run by pilots instead of management types.

We also should make sure clear and concise goals for IMPROVEMENTS in our first CBA are set forth. Not just getting what we have now down in writing, but gains. If we were happy with what we have now, ALPA wouldn't be here, and if they can't secure at least improvements in health care and retirement, then I don't feel they've come through in what was promised/expected of them. I've seen ALPA in the past try to sell either securing what was already had or even concessions as a "win," and that's not what we need here. Yes, that was at a regional, however that could easily apply at any airline, even Delta.

ShyGuy

What does Fort Smith Arkansas have to do with JetBlue?

Flyby1206

That's flyover country, and has absolutely nothing to do with JB!

The FSM is our Flight Scheduling Manual. Basically includes all of the "work rules". This isn't something included in our PEAs (Personal Employment Agreement) so theoretically the company can change it at their whim. Before the vote passed yesterday there was a document indirectly included in our PEAs that spelled out how the FSM could be changed, but that FSM Governance document is now tossed out the window.

So it is my understanding that we still have a FSM to operate under, but no document that says how or why the company can change the FSM. The National Mediation Board says that things must remain status quo until a CBA is achieved, to prevent companies from just slashing pay/work rules/etc and saying "ok, now we start negotiating from here."

Clear as mud?

amcflyboy

If that was sarcasm, you missed the mark.

ShyGuy

Ah I see, thank you. And just curious because I don't know, are pilots still signing a new agreement every 5 years? Or has that changed into an open-ended contract/offer?

Nevets

The company can change work rules but for business purposes only. They cannot do it to punish you for unionizing. Probably hard to prove in court unless they were fool is enough to make the threats in writing before the close of the vote.