"Pilot Shortage" - well ?
08-18-2014, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by UPDRAFT
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Two chinese airlines in the past few months are now hiring Expat FOs. China has NEVER hired any expat FOs before.
Two chinese airlines in the past few months are now hiring Expat FOs. China has NEVER hired any expat FOs before.
Lucky Air in Kunming is hiring qualified 737 FOs. Hainan is looking for A-320 or B-737 FOs. I have heard China Eastern is looking at hiring some FOs and as always Yangtze River has hired FOs in the past. There are several Business Jet operators who have hired in the past. If you can get hired at a US Major, I recommend that over coming here to China but if you are looking for a short term most hire based upon a 3 year contract.
08-18-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
The chinese medical is difficult. The airlines are working with the CAA to make it easier. Every chinese airline is hiring..mostly DECs...base pay ranges from $15-22K/month. A guy at my airline said his buddy went there as DEC and asked for and got $30K/month. Don't know the 2 CHinese FO airlines...it was an recruiting email sent to me. *************.com has some good threads on China. They also need bizjet guys in CHina. I was offered a Falcon 7x DEC slot...but I don't think I could pass the medical...hearing loss and over age 50.
08-19-2014, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
So, now that there is a new FAR, where RJ F/O's have to have 1500hrs., where are they going to find F/O's?
08-19-2014, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Heck, Delta went and BOUGHT a regional, just to get those pilots into the Delta pipeline!
Many wound up overseas rather than go back to $20/hour.
08-19-2014, 09:49 AM
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I don't think that Delta is going to experience a shortage.
Two weeks ago I spoke with one of our new hires, who had just left United. It could get tricky at the FFD carriers, who cannot fill their classes.
ETD is DOA.
Two weeks ago I spoke with one of our new hires, who had just left United. It could get tricky at the FFD carriers, who cannot fill their classes.
ETD is DOA.
08-19-2014, 11:07 AM
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This is a process, and not a fast one. The current status as I see it:
The U.S. is producing new pilots for domestic consumption at a negligible rate. Embry Riddle and Flight Safety International are over 90% foreign pilots with commitments overseas. They have money and buy luxury apartments while in training, so they have U.S. addresses on their licenses, and the FAA reports they are licensing U.S. residents, but they aren't going to U.S. airlines. U.S. schools will be graduating only a hundreds of American commercial pilots every year for many years, based on current enrollment.
Young Americans are not entering flight training, they consider the career undesirable, and doomed to obsolescence due to automation and technology. The FAA recently released a statement that this would not happen soon, which came across as assuring young people it would happen, probably later during their peak earning years. There will not be a surge of new American pilots, or a surge of foreign pilots taking pay cuts to come here.
U.S. major airlines are hiring 4000+ pilots per year (Boeing forecasts 4,500/yr), mostly from the regionals. That number is supposed to be going up according to the airlines. The regionals have around 16,000-18,000 pilots, it won't take long for this hiring to decimate them, and the U.S. domestic airline networks they fly the majority of.
Regional airlines are in a shortage, are cutting routes and parking airplanes due to lack of pilots.
U.S. business aviation has over 13,000 jets on order. Their pilots have been stagnated as long as the majors, they are approaching normal retirement age. They will need a lot of pilots, especially if they see scheduled airline service cut back in this country. Some estimates (NBAA and Bureau of Labor Statistics) show business aviation hiring more pilots than the airlines over the next ten years. Maybe not, but it will be significant.
All of this is before the industry sees over half the commercial pilots in the U.S. retire in one decade, and a surge in demand with the economic recovery.
So the question is not "will it happen", it is already happening, but how painful will it be and who will win and who will lose?
The U.S. is producing new pilots for domestic consumption at a negligible rate. Embry Riddle and Flight Safety International are over 90% foreign pilots with commitments overseas. They have money and buy luxury apartments while in training, so they have U.S. addresses on their licenses, and the FAA reports they are licensing U.S. residents, but they aren't going to U.S. airlines. U.S. schools will be graduating only a hundreds of American commercial pilots every year for many years, based on current enrollment.
Young Americans are not entering flight training, they consider the career undesirable, and doomed to obsolescence due to automation and technology. The FAA recently released a statement that this would not happen soon, which came across as assuring young people it would happen, probably later during their peak earning years. There will not be a surge of new American pilots, or a surge of foreign pilots taking pay cuts to come here.
U.S. major airlines are hiring 4000+ pilots per year (Boeing forecasts 4,500/yr), mostly from the regionals. That number is supposed to be going up according to the airlines. The regionals have around 16,000-18,000 pilots, it won't take long for this hiring to decimate them, and the U.S. domestic airline networks they fly the majority of.
Regional airlines are in a shortage, are cutting routes and parking airplanes due to lack of pilots.
U.S. business aviation has over 13,000 jets on order. Their pilots have been stagnated as long as the majors, they are approaching normal retirement age. They will need a lot of pilots, especially if they see scheduled airline service cut back in this country. Some estimates (NBAA and Bureau of Labor Statistics) show business aviation hiring more pilots than the airlines over the next ten years. Maybe not, but it will be significant.
All of this is before the industry sees over half the commercial pilots in the U.S. retire in one decade, and a surge in demand with the economic recovery.
So the question is not "will it happen", it is already happening, but how painful will it be and who will win and who will lose?
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